Results
Black Women Truly Understand CPP Diagnoses
Across interviews, participants spoke at length about famil-
iarity and knowledge regarding their CPP diagnoses. This
was demonstrated by participants reporting facts or experi -
ences that align with accepted definitions and diagnoses of
CPP in the medical literature. Knowledge was discussed in
two ways by participants: (1) understanding of CPP diag -
nosis and (2) subjective/experiential familiarity with CPP
diagnosis.
Understanding of CPP Diagnosis
Participants frequently mentioned risk factors, etiologies, or
outcomes of CPP diagnoses, that have been well-established
in current literature. One participant (25), when asked about
what she has learned about her diagnosis stated,
“And that’s pretty much what I know. Like some folks
think it’s caused by retrograde menstruation. Which is
low-key kind of crazy because I don’t know that they
can go in reverse. But who knows?”
This participant outlined the current leading theory on the
etiology of endometriosis and demonstrated an understand-
ing of the disease matching current healthcare profession -
als’ knowledge. Another participant (21) mentioned,
“So there are a lot of risks. I mean, the biggest one is
like infertility for me. I’m interested in having kids.
That has been a barrier for me to have kids with hav -
ing fibroids. I think another concern is just that they’ll
come back [after you] have them removed.”
Similarly, a separate participant (9) echoed,
“I’m told that they’re very common in Black women.
But I’m also told that like non-Black women, up to
70% get them…I know it could, it could interrupt fer-
tility…everything I've done is to kind of preserve…
well, it absolutely is to preserve fertility”
Both participants were familiar with the potential chal -
lenge that fibroids may have on fertility and pregnancy.
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until the symptoms changed or worsened. Here, it is clear
that there is a conflation of normal and pathologic pain
occurring which contributes to patients pushing their pain
“to the side.”
Provider Reception of Pain
In this context, we included all quotes from participants that
demonstrated their concerns about being ignored by a nurse,
physician of any specialty, or other healthcare provider that
they interacted with during their CPP diagnosis and man -
agement journey. Unfortunately, this category exhibits the
highest frequency of instances of both dismissal and nor -
malization with a total of 37 quotes categorized under this
subtheme (Table 4). Many participants discussed how CPP
affected everyday functioning difficulty participating in
work, school, or other activities, which demonstrates sever-
ity. However, despite this, their symptoms were still not met
with concern, or even belief. One participant (16) discussed
“I had an IUD perforate in my uterus, and nobody
******* believed me for a year and a half… I had no
quality of life. I was not able to go to work. I was not
able to go to school and I was delirious from blood
loss….”
Further, the responses show several instances of providers
chalking up the CPP symptoms as a normal part of menses,
menopause, and/or puberty; one provider even discussed
this from a religious perspective. Participant (12) shares.
“I was told, and I quote. It hurts [me] so bad because
“Eve ate the apple.” By a white family practice person
that did my paps. That's what she told me.”
Most concerningly, this subtheme demonstrates that par -
ticipants are aware of stereotypes that providers use against
them when determining the level of attention and concern
put towards their CPP and exploring appropriate manage -
ment options. Participant (30) says.
“I was constantly fighting… The medical industry
assumes that Black women’s skin and everything is
tougher and thicker. And there is a history behind
that… we were cut open and experimented on based
on falsehoods. So that some of the doctors, even of
my own skin tone, were kind of just dismissive of it
and it hurt.”
All responses from all three subthemes demonstrate that
Black women face their symptoms being ignored in every
context. That, along with the use of racial stereotypes that
important because oftentimes, education regarding particu -
lar diagnoses and their associated symptoms can make the
difference between seeking/not seeking care, especially in
minority populations, and influences treatment decisions
[8, 11, 13]The saturation of these themes within the inter -
views demonstrates that the Black women in this study are
well educated on these topics even when there is not much
information available online [19], indicating that education
about CPP diagnoses such as endometriosis, fibroids, and
adenomyosis is likely not the only barrier for Black women
receiving timely care.
CPP Dismissed and Normalized
Although aspects of CPP were well understood by the
participants, there was still apattern of dismissal and nor -
malization of Black women’s experiences related to their
CPP diagnoses. The themes “dismissed” and “normalized”
appeared a total of 70 times across all 30 interviews, and
were divided into 3 subthemes: Social/Familial Reception,
Personal Reception, and Provider Reception of the Partici -
pant’s CPP:
Social/Familial Reception of Pain
In this context, we included all quotes in which participants’
pain symptoms and concerns were ignored by family mem-
bers, friends, coworkers, or other individuals they engage
with during their everyday lives. Table 2 lists a total of 10
responses that fit this subtheme. Participants discuss an
array of negative responses to their pain from coming up
with explanations other than menses, to being told to eat
chocolate, it’s just a bad period. Several participants recall
emotional harm done by this minimization. On the whole,
their CPP is not met with urgency or concern, resulting in
expressed emotional harm from the participants.
Personal Reception of Pain
This context included all examples in which the patient
dismissed or normalized their pain, which while present,
is not very commonly found, only appearing a total of 9
times across interviews (see Table 3). One participant (27)
mentions.
“I just thought it was just a part of [menses], like I just
thought ‘oh, I’m just going to be cramping really bad and
bleeding really bad like for this little time.’ But then it
started getting to the point where it was like when I was
having [periods], like multiple times a month. And I'm like,
I thought it was only one time. What's going on?”
This sentiment echoes other participants; they assumed
that their pain was normal and therefore didn’t seek help
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Perceived Need for Self-Advocacy in Health Care
Settings
The final significant thematic finding discovered during the
interviews and qualitative analysis was “self-advocacy,”
appeared a total of 16 times across interviews, led to emo -
tional distress and hurt for many of the women interviewed.
Emotional and physical states of wellness are known to be
well intertwined, and as a result can play a detrimental role
in a patient’s holistic well-being [11].
Participant (11): So I didn’t think that was normal, right? And I’d always had painful periods, and I was
always told it was normal. My mom would tell me oh, I had painful periods at your age too. Oh, just take
ibuprofen. Go take a hot bath. Have some chocolate. You’ll be OK. Right? But very suddenly it was in
maybe 2017 I just started bleeding every couple weeks, sometimes every other week, and I was thinking.
Participant (11): It was completely new to me and I talked to my parents about it. My mom said ‘Oh,
you’re probably just sleeping wrong.’ I’ll get you a foam mattress pad and probably that’ll make it better
and just…it felt a little dismissive, but like I don’t. I don’t think sleeping in a funny position at night
would cause you to have bleeding more frequently. That’s what happened as well. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot
about that.
Participant (11): Because the pain was that severe at that point, well…I just said at that point, repeating
myself a little bit, but yeah, the pain was so severe and it was messing with my job and my mom was in
the car and she was agreeing with the gynecologist that I should go see a therapist and a psychologist and
just like, are you serious? You believe this lady? When it’s my body, I’m telling you what’s going on? I’m
your daughter. And you’re agreeing with some stranger that you’ve never met before about what’s going
on with me. And I was just– upset. Very, very upset.
Participant (11): And so I kind of wish, he said that to my mom a little bit because she’s still treats me
that way with recurrence of symptoms that I have that I happen to mention to her. And just like reminds
me of that time back in 2017 and I told you I didn’t like that. That wasn’t very good, but maybe that’s
just my mom. I don’t know. Maybe she just tries to say, oh, it’s probably not a big deal, so I don’t have to
worry about it. Maybe.
Participant (11): Yeah, I don’t. I don’t know why the male gynecologist, gynecologists that I’ve seen have
treated me way better than the women. But that’s interesting. That is I would always think it would, or
I always thought that it would be the opposite because it’s just like, oh, you have similar parts you can
kind of relate, right? But No, in my experience they were more dismissive. Not only the doctors, but my
friends and my family too, because I’ve had friends and we were talking about issues and they’re just like
oh, that’s normal. Why did you get surgery for that? Why are you even treatment for that? It’s just. It’s
just a period. It’s just what do you and meanwhile, like I tell my male I don’t. I don’t just go right away
telling my male friends like my period issues.
Researcher: So to clarify what you’re saying, you’re saying that. Even people in your life are like ohh
yeah, it was just a bad it’s just bad period pain.
Participant (15): Yeah, just bad period pain. Not really knowing or understanding what it is or what it
stems from, or what it could be, you know. More than just a bad cycle or just cramping.
Participant (16): Over like my whole life and my family didn’t really explain periods and take me to the
doctors. And then when I saw doctor, they then explained in full. So I basically was in a cloud but not
understanding what was happening or why. But even have the capacity to ask that it was just happening.
Participant (16): Well my I was raised by my grandmother. Who really didn’t believe in doctors. And I
feel like she’s a little bit narcissistic. So she was just like man, I used to have really bad periods too and
would like step over me and then go back to doing whatever she was doing. So like, you know. Just be
like. Yeah, I get what you’re going through, but like, there wasn’t the bridge of, like, take this person to
the doctors. They have something wrong.
Participant (16): When my mother did get involved, I don’t even blame her for not understanding what
was happening because it was a generational thing where like now, like, I feel like my mother had, like,
a lot of health problems that were dismissed. And so I feel like that made her unable to care for herself,
therefore unable to advocate for me because. She does advocate when she has the knowledge, but like if
you don’t even know something’s a problem.
Participant (19): And my mom felt very bad because she was. She’s trying to like, you know, tough me
through it. She’s like, no, it’s fine. You’ll be OK. Just stick it out and I’m like. This is bad like I’m in a
ball curled up on my like I don’t sleep in my mother’s room unless I’m like dying. And so I’m cold, like
in a ball on her bed. Like, no, this is this is bad.
And so that’s kind of when I. Knew. This should not be as bad as it is, especially now that I’ve had sisters
and their periods were easy like. I’m like ‘what? What? What do you mean? You should be in pain right
now.’ And like they still go out and do stuff and everything. But no, that that first period was like, you
know, this is weird and it only got worse and it would, like, get worse, plateau out. And we, which I was
like, OK, it’s crappy, but I’ll handle it. And then it would get worse again and it plateaus up. My uterus
does not like me whatsoever
Table 2 Social/Familial reception
to patient CPP
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believed from my doctor. So I knew I had to do my
own research. I knew I had to….”
In this response, the participant discusses how she felt com-
pelled to investigate her diagnosis herself because her pro -
viders were not knowledgeable about endometriosis and
“refused” to give [her] diagnostic imaging.
Just like this participant, several others turned to the
internet for information, which this participant (21) echoed:
“I have again advocated for myself. I have been very
intentional about the doctors that I have, who have
my best interests so…It’s just, yeah, I do my research.
I was recommended to Doctor M. But like, I also
looked him up. I also looked at his reviews. When I
which, in this study, includes examples and responses of
any time participants’ actions and words were used to try to
leverage themselves to get a better outcome for their pain.
The first example is the previous participant (30), who uses
the phrase “I was constantly fighting…” when discussing
her time in the doctor’s office, painting a picture of obliga -
tory combativeness that she feels she must take on to have
her concerns heard. Another participant (3) mentions
“Without having access to scholarly articles…I am
very far from a medical student but I felt like I had to
[do endometriosis research]. Yeah, there wasn’t any -
body else who was going to do it for me. So I had to
do it for myself…Unfortunately, the medical-indus -
trial complex is not built for me. And I wasn’t being
Table 3 Individual reception of pain
Participant (1): UM. For me, Sort of overlooked it. I knew that I had very, very heavy period. I knew that in the first two days or so, like I had
cramps, but I’ve heard of people that had cramps to the point that like they would be crying and throwing up. And I I never had that. And so
what I perceived like my pain as my pain. It was like if I wasn’t like crying and like doubled over and throwing up and I really wasn’t in a lot
of pain or I was, but it you know it wasn’t like the worst pain. I could be in.
Researcher What? What did you think about your pain?
Participant (2): I thought it was normal or, you know, just the.
Researcher: Sure. And did other people, like healthcare providers, family members like kind of go along with that story or were they the ones
who encouraged you to kind of get help?
Participant (2): No, I didn’t really talk to family members about it and healthcare people kind of brushed it off like it wasn’t A big deal.
Researcher: Ok And…and my last question is before you figured out what was going on in regards to the scar tissue and your uterus kind of
folding in on itself how was your pain perceived by you like? What did you think your pain was?
Participant (3): It was just hurting real bad and I just got tired of it. Like it was mental and it was stressful.
Researcher: And so where did you originally believe that these symptoms were? You just thought they were bad periods,
Participant (6): Just bad. That’s what I’ve been told all my life that I just had. Bad periods.
Participant (9): Because I was like ohh it could be, but most everything we’re talking about, I honestly thought was normal. The only thing I
knew wasn’t normal is legit to pushing my stomach to the side to go to sleep at night. That’s when I knew it wasn’t normal, but everything else
I just kind of took as normal…And didn’t. Ijust didn’t really know it was a problem, but then moving. Yeah, my sleep, my sleep was a problem
too. So I was aware of those symptoms, but I didn’t know. I didn’t fully know the impact because again, with my fibroids, it grew overtime.
It was something I didn’t know I had. So I again, I just, I really did take everything as normal except for the actual like moving my stomach a
certain way to fall. Asleep. And then not being so sorry, I I don’t know if I said, but I’m a stomach sleeper. Naturally I’ve been. My whole life.
That that I couldn’t sleep on my stomach so. So about a year and a half before they got removed, I had to start sleeping on my side. I would
still try and. Sleep on my. Stomach. But then I would wake up because I was in pain or discomfort. So like it just I couldn’t train myself to,
like, fully sleep on my side. So it just. It that I knew was a problem. So that’s the only thing I can say that I understood was a completely direct
impact. Of the hybrid. OK.
Researcher: OK. OK. And then what about you? How did you perceive your pain?
Participant (13): Well, since it wasn’t as intensified as it was, once I came back home, I was just, you know, doing the Motrin. But then at that
time, you know. I have to also equate it to. I have two little kids running around, but I have three children and I have two little kids running
around. So you know, you got to keep up, you know, gotta stretch, get your muscles ready. But you gotta keep up these little toddlers. It really
it wasn’t really that bad. Like I said, it has intensified once I moved back.
Researcher: No. OK. And so now we’re going to talk a little bit more of your diagnosis, which I kind of touched on like the kind of the
beginning of when you first started feeling the symptoms, what did you originally believe that they were when you started feeling them as a
teenager?
Participant (26): I just thought it was. The menstrual cycle. Like and then my mom, she would give me, like, Advil and stuff like Tylenol. But
that would never really like help. So.
Participant (27): I just thought it was just a part of it, like I just thought oh, this just will come here. I’m just going to have. I’m just going to be
cramping really bad and bleeding really bad. Like for this little time. But then it started getting to the point where it was like when I was hav-
ing them, like multiple times a month. And I’m like, I thought it was only one time. Like, right? What’s going on?
Participant (29): Umm, so the pain for me, I was just kind of curious as to, you know, what could it be? Could it be the fibroids? Could be
something else? And it was actually my husband that was very much like, uh, this isn’t normal. And I was, I was also normalizing like, well, if
it is the fibroids, sometimes they hurt. I haven’t had that, but you know, it’s a normal thing. And he was like, you know, whether it’s supposed
to hurt or not, whether it’s normal to hurt or not, it shouldn’t hurt. It’s not supposed to hurt.
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Participant (6): I do because I just felt like sometimes my doctor would be like blowing it off like I had, I asked for a hysterectomy from her like way
before this maybe three years before that, like I just was. Like you could you know my kids of age. I don’t need anything in my body, but I couldn’t take
the pain anymore. Like having cramps really bad and bleeding for seven to 10 days. But she would just blow it off. Oh, you’re young, you’ll be OK.
And I’m like, no, I know my body, I don’t. I want this to stop. Like, this is ridiculous. And my mom had a hysterectomy for the exact same reason. And
I know my mother had endometriosis, so I’m like it. I know it’s a part of our family, so I don’t need. And then I end up changing doctors and my other
doctors like you.
Participant (8): That, yeah, they should have put the catheter in the first time I think when I said that, hey, I can’t pee and I got to pee. I think that’s when
they probably should. They should have listened, you know, it was a bad idea like, where’s this urine going? If I can’t pee?
Participant (8): It was one time, though I did. I started to feel like nobody was hearing me and just but that was over communicating through like the
computer and stuff like I was. I was concerned about the Lupron I was concerned about my periods. I’m like, I’m not filling up a pad. What’s happening is.
I forgot all about that, but my clots were so big that it wouldn’t stay in the pad, which then I come out and I’m bleeding out of my clothes. So I was trying to
tell them I’m like, why is this happening? Like, but they can’t tell me what has happened. And I know one nurse was like, you got to go to the ER if you’re
bleeding…
Participant (11): I guess it’s…It was just dysmenorrhea. Yeah. I don’t think she really believed me in that in that first appointment and because I was telling
her everything that I was talking about with my friend and of course I did the Google searches and whatnot and some providers don’t really like hearing that
you do Google searches on your own. They’re just like, oh, you consulted Dr. Google and you think you know everything, huh. And it’s just like. No, I’m
not coming at you with that sort of attitude or anything. Like she would treat me like some sort of hypochondriac. But it’s just like I have concerns. These
are my symptoms, this is what I’m reading…maybe help me, but she’s just like it’s just a little bit condescending. After I told her that she said, oh, and how
did Google suggest that you treat that and I’m just like I don’t know, birth control pills and she’s like, that’s right. I’m going to prescribe you some birth
control pills. So that was the end of that appointment and I picked up a prescription for oral contraceptives for the next month.
Participant (11): OK, so I was in a chemical menopause for four times in total and I’ve I felt not so great emotionally. The last time I did it because…I don’t
know why but my…I was back at school at that point and my it was just making me incredibly, incredibly depressed. And I’m just like I can’t take this
anymore. I’m in a lot of pain. Maybe I need another surgery. And so I went and asked him that gynecologist, 4th one. I just realized after saying it earlier but
he thought that it was my bladder…
And I was thinking. I guess I’m having some bladder symptoms like is painful when it’s full, sure, but it’s not just my bladder. I I think it’s, you know gyne-
cologic again can you help me out but he didn’t really seem to take me too seriously when I when I brought it up, yes.
Participant (12): And it would never go away. And then, like I said, I didn’t stop. Planning to almost. An adulthood, and I was told, and I quote. It hurts him
so bad because “Eve ate the apple.” By a white family practice person that did my paps. That’s what she told me.
Researcher: And was fibroids the first diagnosis that you received once you started going to your own doctors?
Participant (12): No, no, no. That’s the first one. When I was 21, she told me it was because “Eve ate the apple. That’s just what was supposed to happen.”
So I didn’t get a diagnosis then I think I got. It. I worked four or five years as a new grant nurse. I moved to Houston, TX, and I got a new OB and I was tell-
ing her my issues and she was the first one to dive into it and tell me I had fibroid.
Participant (13): OK, so once the bleeding increased in 2017, I went back to my gynecologist in Nashville and he was just like, well, you know, you getting
older, so, you know. It’s OK. You know your fibroids. I don’t see your fibroids. You know, causing the extra bleeding. But you know you getting older. I’m
like, OK, you know like oh, well, I’m getting older. I don’t believe I had an IUD in Nashville, I think I didn’t get my ID place back here when I moved back
here with Doctor Belafonte my who was my gynecologist before I left Chicago. So I just came right back to the same to all my same providers.
Researcher: OK. And so then that’s when you started going in. Your doctor said, oh, it’s because you’re getting older. And then you went to your doctor here
and it was that Doctor that said I actually think it might be something else.
Participant (13): Exactly.
Patient (13): Right. Yes. OK. And in Nashville, they’re very dismissive.
Participant (13): Which is why I was like, I think “am I too young for fibroids,” Because remember what I told you I had two small ones after my second
child. But like, nobody like kept up with the size or measured them or anything like that. And when I mean, I dismissed in Nashville when I was giving birth
and my heart rate went out of out of control out of whatever it is I was getting and I was complaining about it. They just gave me airs like “Just breathe, just
breathe.” And then when they are done, nobody is thinking what happened. They came in here with a my bad and they left the room.
Participant (13): So that’s when that came. As far as communicating with my gynecologist there. It was just like no Tylenol like, I was never put on medica-
tion for it to fibroids in Nashville. It was always warm compresses. Take a Motrin, take a Tylenol. Everything was always related to getting older.
Participant (15): So that’s how I was diagnosed initially prior to that, just having painful cycles, it would be, oh, just get on some birth control to just stop
your cycle. So you won’t have to experience the pain is what I was told prior to that. And then I had an experience where I was in so much pain. I want to
Advocate Christ and I could barely walk. I was in pain. So I’m like, if I’m coming to the hospital, can
barely walk in a severe pain I’m talking to the doctors, I am on my cycle and they kind of dismissed it as though like and it was a female doctor. Like, oh,
you know, there’s just something women go through and they kind of just prescribe me they did only prescribe me pain medication.
Participant (16): But I think it has cost me truly years of my life and I’ve gotten, like, severely medically gaslit. So it’s been very unenjoyable. But I’ve
definitely it’s just been me like very much like pursuing. OK, what is another option like trying to be creative with the one brain cell that I have left that is
not tired, like, you know, what is the next option like this? Like, you know, doctors have to go through their minimum 4, like years of medical school before,
like, getting a specialty. Like there are all of these things that can go wrong with their uterus, with your body, with their hormones. Like, there has to be, like,
a reason that I’m living like this because, like everyone else around me is not.
Researcher: Have you experienced any stigma when trying to find care for your pain?
Participant (16): Oh yeah 100%. I feel like. I was. Highly stigmatized by one of the primary care doctors at Northwestern, it was a very unenjoyable
experience. I’ve been having like pain on my lower right side. And like I feel like because people can’t figure out what the pain like came from. They don’t
necessarily take me super seriously. So I was like in an appointment and like, I was talking about my pain. And like, you know, they were pressing down to
feel if I had a hernia and I didn’t have one. I mentioned the fact that, like I had been seen by like the previous doctor a lot and I had like my IUD was slightly
perforating through my uterus. They couldn’t find those notes and didn’t necessarily believe me.
Table 4 Provider perception of pain
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Participant (6): I do because I just felt like sometimes my doctor would be like blowing it off like I had, I asked for a hysterectomy from her like way
before this maybe three years before that, like I just was. Like you could you know my kids of age. I don’t need anything in my body, but I couldn’t take
the pain anymore. Like having cramps really bad and bleeding for seven to 10 days. But she would just blow it off. Oh, you’re young, you’ll be OK.
And I’m like, no, I know my body, I don’t. I want this to stop. Like, this is ridiculous. And my mom had a hysterectomy for the exact same reason. And
I know my mother had endometriosis, so I’m like it. I know it’s a part of our family, so I don’t need. And then I end up changing doctors and my other
doctors like you.
Participant (16): And like the Doctor who was like the nurse practitioner that was helping me, he went to get his superior and she was like asking me failed
mental health questions. Like if I’ve ever been psychiatrically helped, like all of these things. And I felt like they did not believe my pain. That made me
feel deeply uncomfortable. My doctor’s notes just look really see from that appointment like it says I’m depressed. I’m like, I wasn’t depressed. I never said
I was depressed. You know, like they said, my scans were from a hospital. Like a different hospital than like what I was talking like there was just so many
different things. And you just don’t see anything to speak to that, like, everything in my patient notes just like. Like, I feel like was gaslighting me, saying
I was depressed when I wasn’t saying I like had anxiety when I wasn’t saying I was treated for things I didn’t have. And I said I was uncomfortable, like in
the moment and they just were, like, blowing me off, not listening to me. And now that’s just in there, like Dr. Justin something. And I don’t know another
doctor. I think they’re like listed as my primary Care now. I saw them once. I talked to Northwestern about it. I have to go through a whole like process
which harms me more to get that taken off of there.
Participant (16): But like the rheumatologist was not taking me super seriously because I was testing low for it. And he’s like, you know, you’re testing low.
I’m not going to take you super seriously, but I’m like, I’m very symptomatic. Can you help me? And his answer was no, he does not take me super seri-
ously about it.
Participant (16): They could see that I’m dehydrated and like my kidney results and whatever, and I’m just like, yeah. And like, you know, my rheumatolo-
gist is not taking me super seriously. And I’m like, oh, well, if your rheumatologist says this, then that might be the best course of action. I’m like, I’m
telling you, the last doctor I saw like, you know is not taking me seriously, but I’m very symptomatic and they’re like, OK, well, why don’t you refer to that
doctor on your care or we’re going to go based off of what he says. And if he says it’s nothing, then we’re saying it’s nothing. So it’s just like, OK, well, one
doctor can harm you and ignore your problems…
Participant (16): And then it stops multiple. So if my primary sends a referral here. You know. Then you go wherever and they’re like, oh, your primary care
doesn’t see a real problem. You know, you’re testing a low positive. So that’s maybe just a fluke. Come back and you’re sick. You know, I’m sicker. Then
I go somewhere else. And they’re like, oh, well, we see that there’s a chain of people who say that you don’t have a problem, so even though it says you’re
dehydrated, I have, they said I had pelvic inflammatory disease and I had a UTI and then I had a whatever a UTI that has a yeast infection, and then I had a
bacterial infection and then it showed that I was hydrated, but they’re like, oh, well, you know, like your last couple of doctors said everything was fine. So
like, everything might just be fine.
And I’m just like, so even though I’ve had all of these tests, but no doctor is listening. It’s like each person that dismisses me acts on a little bit more of me
being the. Just in the future and I’m like, how do I get care?
Researcher: Say more about that [doctor being confused]
Participant (19): Because I didn’t have my stomach issues. For so long. I kind of got good a little bit it wouldn’t recognizing when doctors are like. We
don’t, we don’t know, but we like, want to know, but we don’t know. And so we’re gonna start handing you things. We’re kind of like here. Take this. That
and we’re OK. We’ll take this. And it’s different than like, oh, you have this condition. We’re going to do with trial and error type of thing. They were defi-
nitely blind at several points with being. And so. When I saw my other gynecologist. Because I think my mom took me to her first.
Participant (19): Back by the second one, I was like uh. What is this? And she said maybe it’s actually your period. The breakthrough bleed, maybe that
was earlier or whatever. Maybe this was actually your period. And I was like, OK, whatever. And I was up here for a neurology appointment. And the third
one started. And I I immediately sent her a message like, hey, it’s here again and she’s like actually this is your period and like I don’t know what this is
anymore, I don’t know what this is. So it was that when you when I think if you’ve gone through this enough, you start to notice when they’re like. We don’t
know, but we they don’t want to tell you that they don’t know, of course. Or they don’t want to assume that it’s the worst. Because you’re young.
Participant (22): The closest scenario I’ve had with that is with pain tolerance, so the first fibroid surgery that I had, although it was laparoscopic I had sort
of a mini lap. Incision to remove the contents of the myomectomy that I had in 2020 and at Loyola Hospital where I spent an overnight stay. After that
procedure, I found the nurses. White female nurses, or at least one in particular, to not be very. Empathetic or just kind of skeptical to the amount of pain that
I was experiencing she even. Said to me that, hey, I have, 60 year old women who have, walked the same evening after this and sort of just. Made me feel
as if I was either faking my pain or not really acknowledging the fact that I could be in pain. It took a nurse shift like the next one of coming in and seeing
that, my heart rate was high in terms of just spiking sitting in bed because I was in a decent amount of pain. Before. Or. They would acknowledge that I was
experiencing the pain that I that I Said I was.
Participant (23): A lot of doctors told me that it was just puberty. A lot of doctors said. Like this is, you know, you’re just a woman and this is a thing that
happens to women and it’s just cramps. You’re just having painful cramps. I heard a lot like, you’re too young….Be like experiencing pain as bad as you’re
telling me. Which is I guess, why I feel like people felt like I was being dramatic about it. Because I I would always bring it up to the. Doctor. It would like
when at the end, they’re like, is there anything else you want to talk about? I would tell them about it and they’d be like, oh, that’s still happening. We’ll take
birth control. Or here’s another ibuprofen prescription and see you later.
Participant (23): And I also felt like, especially when I was younger. When I would like tell the adults around me what was going on, if I went to the doctor
and the doctor was just like it’s just puberty, you’re fine. I feel like the adults around me would be like I knew you were being dramatic. And they wouldn’t
like, say that, you know, but they would. It’s like a look or just a a tone in their voice that made me feel like, well, OK, now, now that the authority figure has
told them that nothing’s really wrong with me, I guess. I guess there’s nothing I can do because. Nobody else believes that. Yeah.
Participant (25): And then. In terms of the cramping, she didn’t really have anything to offer? And so, because the cramps went away, I think like 2 weeks
later or something like that. I don’t really think about it, but when they came back in July and they never went away. So two weeks after so July 26, 2023 I
went to the ER because they were so bad that I couldn’t focus on anything else. I mean was just horrible pain.
You know they palpated my belly. And did all this but they basically were like nothing’s wrong with you so go ahead and ohh I’d also been experiencing
bloody stools too. Just a couple but I called the nurse on the back of the Blue Cross Blue Shield.
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to ensure that she would be safe in his hands. Another strat-
egy is discussed by another participant (9) here:
“My pain is minimized. I have done a lot of work
to make myself be seen…I talk about my advanced
met him, I asked questions. So like there’s a lot that
goes into it….”
Instead of researching her diagnosis, this participant’s ver -
sion of self-advocacy was to heavily research her provider
Participant (6): I do because I just felt like sometimes my doctor would be like blowing it off like I had, I asked for a hysterectomy from her like way
before this maybe three years before that, like I just was. Like you could you know my kids of age. I don’t need anything in my body, but I couldn’t take
the pain anymore. Like having cramps really bad and bleeding for seven to 10 days. But she would just blow it off. Oh, you’re young, you’ll be OK.
And I’m like, no, I know my body, I don’t. I want this to stop. Like, this is ridiculous. And my mom had a hysterectomy for the exact same reason. And
I know my mother had endometriosis, so I’m like it. I know it’s a part of our family, so I don’t need. And then I end up changing doctors and my other
doctors like you.
Participant (25): And they were like no girl. Go to the ER. So I did. The ER wasn’t super, wasn’t super helpful. So anyway oh. I happened to have a primary
my regular physical schedule the next day. Went to the physical and, she palpated my belly and inserted the speculum and it was extremely painful. I wanted
to cry. And she was like, OK, this is likely a gynecological she’s probably not a GI issue. So you should. See a gynecologist. So I went back to the same
gynecologist who I saw in April, who hadn’t been super helpful like she was just basically like she was really trying to push me. To go on birth control. The
birth control giving something I’m not super comfortable with right now just because birth control (combined contraceptives) in my past has…I’ve been
suicidal when I was on birth control. It’s also caused a decrease in libido, vaginal dryness and. And weight gain.
Participant (25): I didn’t leave that appointment feeling great, and I let the practice know. And the practice gently told me to find another practice since I was
so dissatisfied. I have located for myself and just was doing some research about endometriosis specialists in Chicago. Which is how I found this complex
gynecology at Northwestern and how I found Dr. Yang. And that’s what I called and made an appointment. Oh, and the other thing was that doc that gyne-
cologist had seen before I wanted an ultrasound. And she refused to give me one. And afterwards, I forgot I forgot to document her refusal. And I felt so bad
about, like, so shamed at that later. But anyway, yes because she said, oh, since you had a CT scan through it yesterday or two days ago or whatever it was…
Participant (25): OK. Yeah. Family members were, you know, obviously concerned. The healthcare providers were kind of I just…Well, my primary care
doctor, I don’t think she knew what was going on. But she was concerned. But she was like, I don’t know, girl like you need to go talk to somebody about
this stuff. Yeah, but otherwise until I met Doctor Yang, like the gynecologist that I saw. And in April and July, just was not helpful at all. I just felt like
she didn’t believe me. I felt like she thought I was making stuff up or potentially a hypochondriac. And I’m like, no, like, why would I? For a while. I just
thought to myself like maybe I am making this stuff up, you know like I am.
Participant (25) You know, just because I my experiences weren’t being validated by medical professional and I was like maybe psychosomatic because
I also have experienced sexual assault. Like maybe it’s result of that. I don’t know, but I was. I just remember when. They told me I had endometriosis I
started crying because it made me feel like. I wasn’t making things up.
I wasn’t making up my pain. It felt very bad with anything and I was I felt really grateful that doctor Yang. Listened to me. In terms of, like believing me
that I was experiencing so much.
Participant (26): It wasn’t percieved. You did was like, ohh you’re in. Saying, OK, you know, like that comes with [menses], you know. And I was like, well,
is it anything that I can take or do to kind of, you know, take the edge off of it? And it was nothing but what they tell me try Tylenol. And I explained to them
that I already tried, it’s not working and it’s like..
Researcher: OK. And before your diagnosis, how was your pain perceived by you already talked about you, but how was it perceived by healthcare provid-
ers and then also family members that you told about?
Participant (28): Dismissive, dismissive.
Participant (28): My doctors were so dismissive of it. So like I said, when I started to kind of do my own research, um. I am, I remember. I’ll, I’ll tell you
about it. And experience that I had in Graduate School and I was actually at the time celibate and I was having such painful periods and I went to a doctor. I
didn’t have insurance at the time because I was doing a work study. I had an internship for the program that I was in. And when I was at school and Graduate
School full time, so I was like, you know what, I went to USC for Graduate School in California from California. So they this USC was like, ohh, well, you
know, there’s like a student insurance you can utilize and you can always go to like the student health care clinic and have all of your care there. So like, cool.
Participant (28): So I established care completely. With the USC healthcare clinic and I remember telling my primary care doctor, hey, you know, I’m
having these really painful periods. I’m not really sure what to do about them. And so she was like, let’s, let’s get you planned with an OB. So I, I had the.
Conversation with the OD and the OB shoes, the black woman herself. And she was just like, ohh, you just mean she takes some medication. Then you need
to protect yourself during having sex. And I
was like, what? I’m not even having sex. Like you’re completely like missing the point of what I’m trying
to tell you. And so I kind of have an attitude where I’m like, I’ll just fire you. I don’t wanna have contact with you anymore. I don’t feel supported by you.
Don’t feel safe. She gave me a bag of condoms. And was like, godspeed. That’s literally how she treated me.
Participant (30): I was talking to doctors previously before I went to the current hospital at. They just thought, oh, it’s just. Of period. That’s what that is.
And I described to them and I explained to them, period pain should not be where it’s paralyzing me to the point that I can’t go to work while I have to go to
school or I. Off of work where? Sitting at the toilet or sitting. The toilet for 30 to 45 min. In excruciating pain. This should not be like this.
Participant (30): When I describe to them the pain with a health care professionals, they dismissed it. When during my late teens, early 20 s, they thought it
was just part of the pain itself. They did. They just prescribed me, which is over the counter medicines. And like using the hot water bottle. They were kind
of dismissive and passive about it because.
Participant (30): Like now, like for sure right now, based on the history behind black people and like pain tolerance, which is evidently false as hell, it’s
extremely false. But with that, the issues is that it was still passive, even within my own community, because I went to see PCP before coming to Northwest-
ern to get this like that. It was just a myth, dismissed like it was just like, oh, this just part of the pain you’re going to deal with from pain.
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normalizing symptoms can contribute to delays in diagno -
sis, prevent women from seeking health services, and ulti -
mately result in poor management and poor outcomes [26].
Our study establishes that this same pattern exists for Black
women with CPP in the US. However, one significant find-
ing from this study is that health literacy and understanding
of their diagnoses was not a significant factor in why Black
women were not receiving appropriate care. Rather, the
normalization and dismissal of pain experienced by Black
women in this cohort is instead tied to racist medical stereo-
types and the choice by providers to ignore the experiences
of Black women.
Further, we emphasize the importance of self-advocacy,
and its role in Black women’s struggle for access to medical
resources. While this is a novel theme for medical literature,
this concept was first discussed in Tressie McMillan Cot -
tom’s essay “Dying to be Competent.” As in this study, the
essay argues that Black women are forced to demonstrate
and prove their “knowledge” as a mechanism to be helped
or merely validated in healthcare settings [ 7]. Examples
of this are abundant in our interviews, from conducting
online searches for diagnoses and providers to mentioning
advanced degrees during appointments. Black women face
numerous challenges in navigating the healthcare system
and obtaining adequate care. Existing studies have linked
chronic pain to emotional distress, psychiatric issues, and
feelings of helplessness [ 32] The dismissal and normaliza -
tion of pain, coupled with the need for self-advocacy, adds
emotional labor during medical visits, increases stress and
mental load, and steepens the already uphill battle to finding
relief from what may be a lifetime of pain.