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Methods Using blood DNA methylation data from an epigenome-wide association study of AD that included 111 subjects with MCI, a methylation risk score of MCI conversion was created using an elastic-net framework. The elastic-net model was trained with a high-variance subset of the DNAm data, age and sex as predictors. Results The final model included three CpG sites: SLC6A3 (cg09892121) and TRIM62 (cg25342005), with a third (cg17292662) near the genes ATP6V1H and RGS20. A significant difference (p < 0.0001, t-test) was observed in the scores for MCI stable subjects compared with MCI converters. No statistically significant difference was observed between AD subjects and controls, suggesting specificity of the risk score for susceptibility to conversion. Conclusions The ability to identify MCI patients at greater risk of progression could inform early interventions and is a critical component in mitigation strategies for AD. 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Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.12688/f1000research.140403.2 ) NOTE: If applicable, it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in all citations of this article. Close Copy Citation Details Export Export Citation Sciwheel EndNote Ref. Manager Bibtex ProCite Sente EXPORT Select a format first Track Share ▬ ✚ Brief Report Revised Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] Jarrett D. Morrow https://orcid.org/0000-0002-5670-5865 Jarrett D. Morrow https://orcid.org/0000-0002-5670-5865 PUBLISHED 15 Mar 2024 Author details Author details Channing Division of Network Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, MA, 02115, USA Jarrett D. Morrow Roles: Conceptualization, Data Curation, Formal Analysis, Funding Acquisition, Investigation, Methodology, Validation, Writing – Original Draft Preparation, Writing – Review & Editing OPEN PEER REVIEW DETAILS REVIEWER STATUS This article is included in the Bioinformatics gateway. This article is included in the Genomics and Genetics gateway. Abstract Background Alzheimer’s disease (AD) is a neurodegenerative and heterogeneous disorder with complex etiology. Mild cognitive impairment (MCI) may represent an intermediate stage of AD, and the ability to identify MCI patients at greater risk of conversion to AD could guide personalized treatments. This study sought to develop a methylation risk score predictive of conversion from MCI to AD using publicly available blood DNA methylation (DNAm) data. Methods Using blood DNA methylation data from an epigenome-wide association study of AD that included 111 subjects with MCI, a methylation risk score of MCI conversion was created using an elastic-net framework. The elastic-net model was trained with a high-variance subset of the DNAm data, age and sex as predictors. Results The final model included three CpG sites: SLC6A3 (cg09892121) and TRIM62 (cg25342005), with a third (cg17292662) near the genes ATP6V1H and RGS20. A significant difference (p < 0.0001, t-test) was observed in the scores for MCI stable subjects compared with MCI converters. No statistically significant difference was observed between AD subjects and controls, suggesting specificity of the risk score for susceptibility to conversion. Conclusions The ability to identify MCI patients at greater risk of progression could inform early interventions and is a critical component in mitigation strategies for AD. This study provides insight into a potential role for epigenetics in the development of a multi-omic risk score of conversion. READ ALL READ LESS Keywords Alzheimer’s disease, cognitive decline, risk score, DNA methylation, epigenetics Corresponding Author(s) Jarrett D. Morrow ( [email protected] ) Close Corresponding author: Jarrett D. Morrow Competing interests: No competing interests were disclosed. Grant information: This work was supported by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (K25 HL136846) The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript. Copyright: © 2024 Morrow JD. This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. How to cite: Morrow JD. Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.12688/f1000research.140403.2 ) First published: 01 Sep 2023, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.12688/f1000research.140403.1 ) Latest published: 15 Mar 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.12688/f1000research.140403.2 ) Revised Amendments from Version 1 Revision were made to the manuscript to address the reviewer comments. As part of these revisions, the measure used in the elastic-net binomial model is now mean squared error instead of misclassification error. With this change, an alpha of 1 produced the lower error. In addition, lambda was chosen to reduce overfitting, leading to a three-site model, instead of four sites, with the PNCK site no longer included in the model. The AUC for the training data is now 0.843, with an average AUC across the ten folds of 0.752 and an out-of-fold AUC of 0.653. In the primary data, 82,090 sites were excluded from the analyses based on detection p-value filtering. To provide more clarity, this filtering is shown in a supplemental table (Table S1) added to the Extended data to outline the overall quality control process for the primary data. Clarifying text was added in the fifth paragraph of the Results to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary data with the cross-sectional secondary data. The ROC curve previously in the Extended data (Figure S6) was moved to the main manuscript (Figure 1), with additional information added to the caption. The demographics summary (Table 1) was moved to the Extended data (Table S2). A more detailed caption for Figure 2 (formerly Figure 1) was included in the revised manuscript. This figure has also been updated based on the revised elastic-net model. Revision were made to the manuscript to address the reviewer comments. As part of these revisions, the measure used in the elastic-net binomial model is now mean squared error instead of misclassification error. With this change, an alpha of 1 produced the lower error. In addition, lambda was chosen to reduce overfitting, leading to a three-site model, instead of four sites, with the PNCK site no longer included in the model. The AUC for the training data is now 0.843, with an average AUC across the ten folds of 0.752 and an out-of-fold AUC of 0.653. In the primary data, 82,090 sites were excluded from the analyses based on detection p-value filtering. To provide more clarity, this filtering is shown in a supplemental table (Table S1) added to the Extended data to outline the overall quality control process for the primary data. Clarifying text was added in the fifth paragraph of the Results to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary data with the cross-sectional secondary data. The ROC curve previously in the Extended data (Figure S6) was moved to the main manuscript (Figure 1), with additional information added to the caption. The demographics summary (Table 1) was moved to the Extended data (Table S2). A more detailed caption for Figure 2 (formerly Figure 1) was included in the revised manuscript. This figure has also been updated based on the revised elastic-net model. See the author's detailed response to the review by Adam Smith See the author's detailed response to the review by Rachel Cavill READ REVIEWER RESPONSES Introduction Alzheimer’s disease (AD) is a neurodegenerative and heterogeneous disorder with complex etiology and devastating impact on individuals and families. Although genome-wide association studies continue to provide insight into the genetic susceptibility to AD, 1 , 2 epigenome-wide association studies (EWAS) and, in particular, studies of DNA methylation (DNAm) have the potential to capture signals related to environmental contributions. 3 Mild cognitive impairment (MCI) may represent an intermediate stage of AD progression 4 and the ability to identify MCI patients at greater risk of conversion to AD could guide personalized strategies for mitigation of decline, as the pathology of AD may be present years before onset of symptoms. 5 Risk scores that provide predictive measures of AD susceptibility have been created using genetic 6 , 7 and blood transcriptomic data. 8 Epigenome-wide associations studies in peripheral blood have identified differentially methylated CpG sites associated with AD 9 – 11 and AD progression. 12 – 16 Associations between peripheral blood epigenetic age acceleration and cognitive function have also been examined. 17 , 18 This study was focused on the development of a methylation risk score (MRS) predictive of conversion from MCI to AD, using publicly available DNA methylation data 9 and machine learning methods. This score was evaluated in cross-sectional data in AD subjects and controls in both the primary and a secondary datasets to help understand the relationship of the conversion risk score to overall disease severity. This study provides insight into the value epigenetics could provide in a multi-omic risk score of conversion. Methods Primary data To create the risk score, blood DNA methylation (DNAm) data from an EWAS of AD in 300 subjects 9 were obtained from the Gene Expression Omnibus (GEO: GSE144858). The cross-European AddNeuroMed study dataset includes 93 subjects with Alzheimer’s, 111 with MCI and 96 control subjects. Of the 111 MCI subjects, 68 were stable after one year, 39 converted to AD within one year and four converted at an unknown time. Roubroeks and colleagues 9 extracted DNA from the blood samples and assayed DNA methylation levels using the Illumina Infinium Human Methylation 450K BeadChip array. After quality control analyses, they quantile-normalized the data using the dasen method from the R package wateRmelon to create a matrix of beta values (CpG sites in rows and subjects in columns). The data from the four subjects with unknown conversion date were excluded. Two MCI subjects less than 65 years of age, excluded from the study by Roubroeks et al., 9 were included in this study. Prior to the analyses in this study, any CpG site with a detection p-value >0 for any subject was excluded. Using the annotation from Zhou et al ., 19 CpG sites with probe mapping issues or having a SNP with minor allele frequencies >1% within five bases were also removed. To reduce the influence of genetics on the prediction models, CpG sites with significant genetic associations (methylation quantitative trait loci: mQTL) in peripheral blood 20 were also removed. The beta values for the remaining CG-annotated sites were retained for analysis. To identify possible sex mismatches, multidimensional scaling (MDS) plots were created using the cmdscale function in R and the X and Y chromosome data. MDS plots were also created using high variance DNAm data to observe batch effects. No sex mismatches or batch effects were observed. Secondary data An independent set of blood DNA methylation data from an epigenome-wide meta-analysis of neurodegenerative disorders 21 was obtained from the Gene Expression Omnibus. The Australian Imaging, Biomarker & Lifestyle Flagship Study of Aging (AIBL) dataset of 726 subjects included 161 subjects with Alzheimer’s, 94 with MCI and 471 control subjects. Longitudinal information regarding conversion to AD is not available in this study. Nabais and colleagues 21 assayed DNAm using the Illumina HumanMethylationEPIC BeadChip Array. Although data processed using functional normalization were publicly available, the methylated and unmethylated intensities were used to create a dataset normalized using dasen in the R package wateRmelon 22 to create a matrix of beta values. Prior to normalization, CpG sites with a detection p-value >0 for any subject were excluded. CpG sites with probe mapping issues, nearby SNPs with minor allele frequencies >1% 19 or a significant mQTL in peripheral blood 20 were also removed. Following dasen normalization, no sex mismatches were observed in the MDS plot created using the X and Y chromosome data. The beta values for the remaining CG-annotated sites were retained for analysis. Analysis A methylation risk score of MCI conversion was created using an elastic-net binomial (classification) model via the R package glmnet. 23 This regularized regression method combines the L 1 and L 2 penalties of the lasso and ridge methods and provides the ability to retain correlated features. To adjust model and feature selection performance, the contribution of each penalty is selected using the hyperparameter alpha. Using DNAm beta values, age and sex as predictors and the MCI outcome (stable or conversion to AD) as the response, a model was trained using a 10-fold cross-validation approach. Given the limited number of MCI subjects, all data were used in the training process. The alpha hyperparameter was chosen to minimize the cross-validation mean squared error (MSE). To compare the performance with a score based on demographics only, a binomial risk score model was created using the glm function in R with age and sex as predictors. Receiver operating characteristic (ROC) curves were created using the function roc in the R package pROC. 24 Risk scores were calculated using the final conversion risk score model via the predict function in the glmnet package. Results After quality control procedures, peripheral blood DNAm data were available for 251,491 CpG sites and 296 samples, including 93 AD subjects, 107 MCI subjects (68 stable, 39 converter) and 96 controls in the Roubroeks et al . (GSE144858) dataset (Tables S1 and S2, Extended data ). Approximately 60% of the European subjects were female (52% female among MCI subjects). An elastic net model was trained using the DNAm beta values (range: 0 to 1) for the MCI subjects. The beta values, age, and sex were included as possible predictors and the MCI outcome (stable or conversion to AD) was the response. Blood cell distribution values were not included in the model, to enable an epigenetic prediction model that may capture biology including shifts in cell abundance with conversion to AD. With a focus on more robust signatures, only CpG sites with variance in the top quartile (62,873 CpG sites) were included in the training set (Table S1, Extended data ). After executing cross-validation for values of alpha from 0 to 1, an alpha value of 1.0 was observed to minimize cross-validation MSE (MSE = 0.44). Selecting a lambda value of 0.164 to reduce variance, the final model from this process included three features, all CpG sites ( Table 1 ). Two of the sites are annotated to the genes SLC6A3 (cg09892121) and TRIM62 (cg25342005), with a third (cg17292662) near the genes ATP6V1H and RGS20 . The distribution of the beta values for these sites are centered between 0.6 and 0.8 (Figures S1 to S3, Extended data ). A ROC curve was created using the training data with the final model ( Figure 1 ) and the observed area under the ROC curve (AUC) was 0.843. The mean cross-validation AUC across the ten folds was 0.752, where AUC values were calculated using the test data for each fold. The out-of-fold prevalidation AUC, calculated using the aggregated test set predictions and outcomes from all ten folds, was observed to be 0.653. Table 1. CpG sites included in the conversion risk score model. CpG site Chromosome Gene annotation * Relationship to gene CpG island location cg09892121 Chr 5 SLC6A3 Body OpenSea cg17292662 Chr 8 ATP6V1H # , RGS20 # N/A S_Shelf cg25342005 Chr 1 TRIM62 TSS1500 S_Shore # Genes with TSS within 6,000 bases of CpG site. * Illumina Infinium 450K BeadChip annotation from Zhou et al. 19 Figure 1. Receiver operating characteristic curve for the final model and training data with an observed area under the ROC curve (AUC) of 0.843 (95% CI [0.769, 0.917]). The methylation risk score (predicted probability of conversion) was calculated using the final model and the DNAm beta values. A significant difference (p < 0.0001, t-test) in the score for MCI stable subjects compared with MCI converters may be observed in the box plots of the risk score ( Figure 2 ). For MCI subjects, being above the mean MRS compared with below the mean equates to an odds ratio of 5.8 for conversion. Also included in Figure 2 are the scores for the AD subjects and controls. The seven controls and seven AD cases less than 65 years of age, excluded in the analyses by Roubroeks et al ., were included in the MRS calculations in Figure 2 . A nominal increase in MRS values may be observed with increased severity at baseline (Figure S4, Extended data ), with no statistically significant difference between AD and controls (p = 0.88, t-test), perhaps suggesting specificity of the risk score for susceptibility to conversion. Box plots were created using the beta values for each of the three predictive sites across disease severity, stratified by sex (Figures S5 to S7, Extended data ). The direction of effect for DNAm with respect to conversion in the MCI subjects is consistent across males and females. Figure 2. Box plots of the MRS for all subjects across disease states including MCI outcomes, with a significant difference (p < 0.0001, t-test) in the score for MCI stable subjects compared with MCI converters and no statistically significant difference between AD and controls (p = 0.88, t-test). After processing, peripheral blood DNAm data were available for 601,732 CpG sites and 296 samples, including 161 AD subjects, 94 MCI subjects and 471 controls in the Nabais et al . (GSE153712) dataset (Table S2, Extended data ). Approximately 55% of the subjects were female. To examine concordance of the score at baseline in the primary with the cross-sectional secondary data, the MRS was calculated using the final conversion risk score model and the DNAm beta values in this secondary dataset. In the box plots across disease severity (Figure S8, Extended data ), the MRS values increase with severity consistent with the discovery dataset. The MRS values are higher overall for the Nabais et al . data compared with Roubroeks et al . The secondary DNAm data were created using the Illumina HumanMethylationEPIC platform in contrast to the use of the Illumina 450K platform by Roubroeks et al . 9 For the risk score created using only age and sex as predictors in the Roubroeks et al . dataset (Figure S9, Extended data ), a significant difference was not observed between MCI stable and MCI converter (p = 0.2, t-test) and the AUC was 0.579 with the training data (Figure S10, Extended data ). Discussion In this study, a methylation risk score to quantify susceptibility to conversion from MCI to AD was examined. Highly variable CpG sites were selected for development of the score, seeking information to inform identification of robust biomarkers. In addition, the effects of genetics were suppressed by excluding sites previously associated with an mQTL or located near a common SNP. Using a modest set of 107 subjects with MCI, the model demonstrated predictive capabilities. The limited set of selected features, an AUC in the training data of 0.843, a mean AUC during cross-validation of 0.752, and an out-of-fold AUC of 0.653 suggest both higher variance and bias. An MRS may find better utility as a component in a comprehensive conversion susceptibility prediction strategy. Two of the three predictive CpG sites (cg17292662, cg25342005) were identified in the previous study by Roubroeks and colleagues. 9 These two sites were their top two findings in the EWAS of MCI conversion, though neither site was statistically significant after multiple testing correction. The CpG site cg17292662 is within 6,000 bases of the transcription start sites for two genes: ATP6V1H and RGS20. A prior GWAS has identified a variant in ATP6V1H (ATPase H+ transporting V1 subunit H) influencing human cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) β-site APP cleaving enzyme (BACE) activity. 25 Previous studies have suggested that elevated beta-site amyloid precursor protein-cleaving enzyme 1 (BACE1) levels in CSF may be an indicator of MCI and early-stage AD (Zong Arch Gen Psychiatry), with BACE1 a possible therapeutic target. 26 The gene RGS20 (regulator of G protein signaling 20) has biased expression in the brain and has been found to be downregulated in AD astrocytes. 27 The CpG site cg25342005 is within 1500 bases of TSS of the gene TRIM62 (tripartite motif containing 62), a gene expressed in the brain. The CpG site cg09892121 is located within the gene SLC6A3 (solute carrier family 6 member 3) and was among the top 500 findings in the study by Roubroeks et al . 9 The gene SLC6A3 encodes a dopamine transporter and a genetic variant in the gene was previously identified that may confer greater risk of dementia and cognitive decline. 28 Limitations of this study include the small population of MCI subjects with longitudinal outcomes for development of an MRS. Identifying a signature predictive of cognitive decline in peripheral blood presents many challenges with respect to signal and noise and a larger study population with longitudinal data would enhance future MRS creation efforts. In a larger population, the ability to effectively train an MRS model with 80% of the data, while holding out 20% of the data for validation, would provide an effective internal validation. Future efforts may also explore other machine learning frameworks, including deep learning, random forests and support vector machines. The secondary population for MRS evaluation lacked longitudinal outcome data, limiting replication of the findings with respect to conversion. The disparity between MRS values for the baseline training and secondary datasets may be due to the difference in assay platforms, as low correlations have been previously observed between Illumina 450K and EPIC DNA methylation data in blood for many CpG sites. 29 The ability to identify MCI patients at greater risk of progression could inform early interventions and is a critical component in mitigation strategies for AD. This study is the first to examine a blood-based methylation risk score of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer’s disease. Although the predictive ability of the score is limited, this study demonstrates the potential value epigenetics would add to a risk score based on multi-omic and phenotypic data collected from the same patients. Author’s contributions JDM: conceptualization, methodology, formal analysis, interpretation of data, manuscript preparation and approval of the final version Data availability Underlying data Gene Expression Omnibus: An epigenome-wide association study of Alzheimer’s disease blood highlights robust DNA hypermethylation in the HOXB6 gene, https://identifiers.org/geo:GSE144858 . 9 Gene Expression Omnibus: Meta-analysis of genome-wide DNA methylation identifies shared associations across neurodegenerative disorders, https://identifiers.org/geo:GSE153712 . 21 Extended data Zenodo: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer’s Disease, https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.10802595 . 30 This project contains the following extended data: - Methylation_Risk_Score_Supplemental.pdf Data are available under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license (CC-BY 4.0). References 1. 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Grant information This work was supported by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (K25 HL136846) The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript. Article Versions (2) version 2 Revised Published: 15 Mar 2024, 12:1087 https://doi.org/10.12688/f1000research.140403.2 version 1 Published: 01 Sep 2023, 12:1087 https://doi.org/10.12688/f1000research.140403.1 Copyright © 2024 Morrow JD. This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. Download Export To Sciwheel Bibtex EndNote ProCite Ref. 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F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.163624.r295468 ) The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v2#referee-response-295468 NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in this citation. Close Copy Citation Details Reviewer Report 01 Aug 2024 Lily Wang , University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, Miami, FL, USA Wei Zhang , University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, Miami, FL, USA Approved with Reservations VIEWS 0 https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.163624.r295468 Summary Morrow et al. (2024) developed a methylation risk score to predict the conversion from Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) to Alzheimer's Disease (AD). While the study addresses a significant topic, several methodological issues should be addressed to support the ... Continue reading READ ALL Summary Morrow et al. (2024) developed a methylation risk score to predict the conversion from Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) to Alzheimer's Disease (AD). While the study addresses a significant topic, several methodological issues should be addressed to support the validity and reproducibility of the findings. Major Points Normalization of DNA Methylation Data : It is crucial to exclude sex chromosomes during normalization because females are expected to have significantly higher methylation levels on the X chromosome due to X-chromosome inactivation. Stringency in Filtering CpGs : The decision to remove CpGs with detection P > 0 seems overly stringent. A more reasonable threshold should be considered to ensure that potentially informative CpGs are not excluded unnecessarily. Reproducibility and Code Availability : To promote transparency and reproducibility, the analysis code used in this study should be deposited in a public repository such as GitHub or Zenodo. Appropriateness of the Testing Dataset : The testing dataset used in this study is cross-sectional, which limits its utility for predicting disease progression. A longitudinal dataset, such as the ADNI dataset, would be more suitable. The ADNI dataset, as described in Vasanthakumar et al. (2020)(refer 1), is accessible at https://adni.loni.usc.edu/ (subject to data use approval). CpGs with mQTL Associations : Among the three CpGs listed in Table 1, two CpGs appear to have methylation Quantitative Trait Loci (mQTL) associated with them, according to Min et al. (2021) (PMID: 34493871)(refer 2). The relevant associations can be explored at http://mqtldb.godmc.org.uk/search.php?query=cg25342005 and http://mqtldb.godmc.org.uk/search.php?query=cg0989212 Overfitting Concerns : There is a concern about the potential overfitting of the prediction model. As a comparison, the author could randomly sample a set of three CpGs and build a prediction model using the AddNeuroMed dataset. By comparing the reported model with these randomly selected 3-CpG models, it would be possible to determine how many of these models exhibit a larger Area Under the Curve (AUC) than the one reported in the manuscript. Replication of CpGs in Independent Studies : In the Introduction, the authors cite several references (ref 12-16). It would be valuable to know if any of the CpGs identified in this study replicate findings from these independent studies. Minor Points Workflow Figure : A workflow figure that outlines the various steps used in the analysis, both for training and testing samples, would greatly assist readers in understanding the methodology described in this manuscript. Figure Legends : The legends for the figures in both the main manuscript and the Supplementary File should be comprehensive. They need to be understandable as standalone descriptions, please include details on the dataset used and the model applied, at a minimum. Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature? Yes Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound? Partly Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others? Partly If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate? Partly Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility? Yes Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results? Partly References 1. Vasanthakumar A, Davis JW, Idler K, Waring JF, et al.: Harnessing peripheral DNA methylation differences in the Alzheimer's Disease Neuroimaging Initiative (ADNI) to reveal novel biomarkers of disease. Clin Epigenetics . 2020; 12 (1): 84 PubMed Abstract | Publisher Full Text 2. Min JL, Hemani G, Hannon E, Dekkers KF, et al.: Genomic and phenotypic insights from an atlas of genetic effects on DNA methylation. Nat Genet . 2021; 53 (9): 1311-1321 PubMed Abstract | Publisher Full Text Competing Interests: No competing interests were disclosed. Reviewer Expertise: statistical modeling, epigenomics analysis We confirm that we have read this submission and believe that we have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however we have significant reservations, as outlined above. Close READ LESS CITE CITE HOW TO CITE THIS REPORT Wang L and Zhang W. Reviewer Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.163624.r295468 ) The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v2#referee-response-295468 NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in all citations of this article. COPY CITATION DETAILS Report a concern Respond or Comment COMMENT ON THIS REPORT Views 0 Cite How to cite this report: Smith A. Reviewer Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.163624.r256442 ) The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v2#referee-response-256442 NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in this citation. Close Copy Citation Details Reviewer Report 02 May 2024 Adam Smith , University of Exeter Medical School, Exeter, England, UK Approved with Reservations VIEWS 0 https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.163624.r256442 Morrow has addressed some of the concerns raised by myself and other reviewers, however I still find the study needs some revisions. Further work is needed to address the point that detection P value for methylation ... Continue reading READ ALL Morrow has addressed some of the concerns raised by myself and other reviewers, however I still find the study needs some revisions. Further work is needed to address the point that detection P value for methylation assays such as this cannot go below 0, therefore the statement “Prior to the analyses in this study, any CpG site with a detection p-value > 0 for any subject was removed” is fundamentally incorrect as it would result in 0 datapoints for downstream analysis. I imagine this is a rounding error taken from the GEO website as the detection P values are usually very close to 0. I would recommend using the same detection P value cutoff used by Roubroeks et al. Secondary dataset does not have suitable data to replicate model derived from primary data. The application of MRS onto this cohort gives little to no validation of the model. I can accept the author's comment that the primary dataset is not of sufficient size to csplit and perform a design vs. test approach to better validate the score. However, given the current data the statement “This score was evaluated in cross sectional data in AD subjects and controls in both the primary and a secondary datasets to help understand the relationship of the conversion risk score to overall disease severity.” is inaccurate. Author's response that the values at baseline show concordance gives little to no justification given the differences in the cohorts. Given the absence of MCI-AD progression information in the secondary cohort, Figure S8 reveals no extra information and I recommend that this is removed. It would be beneficial to see the effect of adding Age and Sex information to the predictive ability of the MRS for the initial cohort, including the effect on ROC. Competing Interests: No competing interests were disclosed. Reviewer Expertise: Epigenetics, differential methylation I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however I have significant reservations, as outlined above. Close READ LESS CITE CITE HOW TO CITE THIS REPORT Smith A. Reviewer Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.163624.r256442 ) The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v2#referee-response-256442 NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in all citations of this article. COPY CITATION DETAILS Report a concern Respond or Comment COMMENT ON THIS REPORT Version 1 VERSION 1 PUBLISHED 01 Sep 2023 Views 0 Cite How to cite this report: Cavill R. Reviewer Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.153748.r235879 ) The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v1#referee-response-235879 NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in this citation. Close Copy Citation Details Reviewer Report 06 Feb 2024 Rachel Cavill , Department of Advanced Computing Sciences, Maastricht University, Maastricht, Limburg, The Netherlands Not Approved VIEWS 0 https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.153748.r235879 This paper presents an interesting analysis of using methylation data to predict cognitive decline in alzheimers. However, I have serious concerns about the results, in particular with regard to over-fitting of the model. Potential indications of over-fitting: ... Continue reading READ ALL This paper presents an interesting analysis of using methylation data to predict cognitive decline in alzheimers. However, I have serious concerns about the results, in particular with regard to over-fitting of the model. Potential indications of over-fitting: * Figure 1 shows the box-plot of the methylation risk scores (MRS) for the different groups of subjects. If this score was a real predictor of cognitive impairment and its development into alzheimers disease (AD), the a priori hypothesis would be that the subjects with AD would have more extreme scores than the mild-converters, this is not shown to be the case, with the AD group having intermediate scores between the mild-converters and the controls. * The MRS score is based off just 4 methylation sites. The initial full dataset contained >250,000 sites and therefore it would be very easy to find a small subset which is predictive by chance. * The cross validation AUC is significantly lower (0.635) than the training AUC (0.877), which is a sign of over-fitting the training set, given that the methods describe optimising the cross validation mis-classification error, it seems likely that the cross validation AUC is also over-fitted and an independent test set would display an even lower AUC. * The discussion that 2/4 CpG sites were previously identified is not evidence backing this up, as this result was obtained in a previous analysis of the same dataset. It would be unusual that two different analyses of the same dataset failed to find similar results (even when the analyses use different methods). A false positive CpG site in one analysis is likely to show up as a false positive in a different analysis on the same dataset. Individually each of these indications is not conclusive, but put together they indicate a very strong likelihood of overfitting occuring. * The secondary dataset is not suitable to be used as an independent validation set, the study design is too different. Additionally, I raise concerns about the description in the methods of "any CpG site with a detection p-value > 0 for any subject was excluded", this would surely exclude all detected CpGs, as a p-value of 0 for detection, surely indicates an undetected CpG site in that sample, and p-values can not go negative. Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature? Yes Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound? No Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others? No If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate? No Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility? Yes Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results? No Competing Interests: No competing interests were disclosed. Reviewer Expertise: Data science applied to biological data, in particular, omics data. I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to state that I do not consider it to be of an acceptable scientific standard, for reasons outlined above. Close READ LESS CITE CITE HOW TO CITE THIS REPORT Cavill R. Reviewer Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.153748.r235879 ) The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v1#referee-response-235879 NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in all citations of this article. COPY CITATION DETAILS Report a concern Author Response 04 Apr 2024 Jarrett Morrow , Channing Division of Network Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, 02115, USA 04 Apr 2024 Author Response Reviewer 2: Updates to the manuscript prompted by the comments and suggestions from Reviewer #2 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript, through both a revised approach and more ... Continue reading Reviewer 2: Updates to the manuscript prompted by the comments and suggestions from Reviewer #2 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript, through both a revised approach and more clarification regarding the limitations of the study. I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. C1. Figure 1 shows the box-plot of the methylation risk scores (MRS) for the different groups of subjects. If this score was a real predictor of cognitive impairment and its development into alzheimers disease (AD), the a priori hypothesis would be that the subjects with AD would have more extreme scores than the mild-converters, this is not shown to be the case, with the AD group having intermediate scores between the mild-converters and the controls. R1. These comments by the Reviewer regarding an a priori hypothesis are much appreciated. However, with the elastic-net model trained using longitudinal outcomes of decline instead of cross-sectional disease severity, the specific hypothesis proposed by the reviewer was not supported by the findings of the study. However, in the fourth paragraph of Results, a nominal increase in MRS values with increased severity at baseline was noted. While the observations suggest specificity of the risk score for susceptibility to conversion, a nominally higher score in AD provides evidence to support the spirit of the reviewer comment regarding AD and MCI scores. C2. The MRS score is based off just 4 methylation sites. The initial full dataset contained >250,000 sites and therefore it would be very easy to find a small subset which is predictive by chance. R2. This comment from the Reviewer is appreciated. An elastic-net model was the focus of the study, as this method seeks a model with fewer features to help avoid overfitting. In addition, to emphasize biological significance in the model, the variance of DNA methylation was considered. That is, the full set of methylation sites was filtered to approximately 63,000 sites based on variance, as low-variance sites may be less useful in practical applications. A predictive model leveraging a small number of features is not typically considered of lesser value. For example, a recent Nature Communications (2022) paper, van Breugel and colleagues (PMCID: PMC9715628) created a three CpG site predictor of allergic disease in a cohort of 348 subjects. This is one example of predictive models based on a limited set of features that have been developed in various tissues and complex diseases. C3. The cross validation AUC is significantly lower (0.635) than the training AUC (0.877), which is a sign of over-fitting the training set, given that the methods describe optimising the cross validation mis-classification error, it seems likely that the cross validation AUC is also over-fitted and an independent test set would display an even lower AUC. R3. I completely agree with this comment by the Reviewer and thank the Reviewer for the insight. The last sentence in the first paragraph of the Discussion states: "The limited set of selected features, an AUC in the training data of 0.877, and a maximum AUC during cross-validation of 0.635 suggests both higher variance and bias. An MRS may find better utility as a component in a comprehensive conversion susceptibility prediction strategy." However, while revisiting the model development and results, prompted by the reviewer comments, the approach was modified to include mean squared error as the measure instead of misclassification error. With this change, an alpha of 1 now produced the lower error. In addition, lambda was chosen to reduce overfitting, leading to a three-site model. As a result, the AUC for the training data was 0.843, the average AUC across the ten folds was 0.752 and the out-of-fold AUC was 0.653. Revisions were made to the manuscript to reflect these methods changes. I found the updated results demonstrating improved performance encouraging and I hope the Reviewer also views these revised findings favorably. C4. The discussion that 2/4 CpG sites were previously identified is not evidence backing this up, as this result was obtained in a previous analysis of the same dataset. It would be unusual that two different analyses of the same dataset failed to find similar results (even when the analyses use different methods). A false positive CpG site in one analysis is likely to show up as a false positive in a different analysis on the same dataset. R4. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. The discussion regarding the selected sites in the original study was not intended to justify the predictive model. However, the discussion of the two sites from the study by Roubroeks and colleagues is relevant to the current study, as it seemed unethical to omit these details and claim the sites as novel findings, particularly given the current study uses publicly available data linked to the Roubroeks et al. study. C5. The secondary dataset is not suitable to be used as an independent validation set, the study design is too different. R5. Although the particular aspects of the secondary data raising a concern were not noted by Reviewer #2, this appears to be similar to the second set of comments from Reviewer #1. With the secondary dataset not used to identify replication of score trends observed in the longitudinal primary data, clarifying text was added in the fifth paragraph of the Results to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary data with the cross-sectional secondary data. C6. Additionally, I raise concerns about the description in the methods of "any CpG site with a detection p-value > 0 for any subject was excluded", this would surely exclude all detected CpGs, as a p-value of 0 for detection, surely indicates an undetected CpG site in that sample, and p-values can not go negative. R6. The reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. As outlined in my response to Reviewer 1 (response #1), a significant percentage of the overall p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. Reviewer 2: Updates to the manuscript prompted by the comments and suggestions from Reviewer #2 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript, through both a revised approach and more clarification regarding the limitations of the study. I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. C1. Figure 1 shows the box-plot of the methylation risk scores (MRS) for the different groups of subjects. If this score was a real predictor of cognitive impairment and its development into alzheimers disease (AD), the a priori hypothesis would be that the subjects with AD would have more extreme scores than the mild-converters, this is not shown to be the case, with the AD group having intermediate scores between the mild-converters and the controls. R1. These comments by the Reviewer regarding an a priori hypothesis are much appreciated. However, with the elastic-net model trained using longitudinal outcomes of decline instead of cross-sectional disease severity, the specific hypothesis proposed by the reviewer was not supported by the findings of the study. However, in the fourth paragraph of Results, a nominal increase in MRS values with increased severity at baseline was noted. While the observations suggest specificity of the risk score for susceptibility to conversion, a nominally higher score in AD provides evidence to support the spirit of the reviewer comment regarding AD and MCI scores. C2. The MRS score is based off just 4 methylation sites. The initial full dataset contained >250,000 sites and therefore it would be very easy to find a small subset which is predictive by chance. R2. This comment from the Reviewer is appreciated. An elastic-net model was the focus of the study, as this method seeks a model with fewer features to help avoid overfitting. In addition, to emphasize biological significance in the model, the variance of DNA methylation was considered. That is, the full set of methylation sites was filtered to approximately 63,000 sites based on variance, as low-variance sites may be less useful in practical applications. A predictive model leveraging a small number of features is not typically considered of lesser value. For example, a recent Nature Communications (2022) paper, van Breugel and colleagues (PMCID: PMC9715628) created a three CpG site predictor of allergic disease in a cohort of 348 subjects. This is one example of predictive models based on a limited set of features that have been developed in various tissues and complex diseases. C3. The cross validation AUC is significantly lower (0.635) than the training AUC (0.877), which is a sign of over-fitting the training set, given that the methods describe optimising the cross validation mis-classification error, it seems likely that the cross validation AUC is also over-fitted and an independent test set would display an even lower AUC. R3. I completely agree with this comment by the Reviewer and thank the Reviewer for the insight. The last sentence in the first paragraph of the Discussion states: "The limited set of selected features, an AUC in the training data of 0.877, and a maximum AUC during cross-validation of 0.635 suggests both higher variance and bias. An MRS may find better utility as a component in a comprehensive conversion susceptibility prediction strategy." However, while revisiting the model development and results, prompted by the reviewer comments, the approach was modified to include mean squared error as the measure instead of misclassification error. With this change, an alpha of 1 now produced the lower error. In addition, lambda was chosen to reduce overfitting, leading to a three-site model. As a result, the AUC for the training data was 0.843, the average AUC across the ten folds was 0.752 and the out-of-fold AUC was 0.653. Revisions were made to the manuscript to reflect these methods changes. I found the updated results demonstrating improved performance encouraging and I hope the Reviewer also views these revised findings favorably. C4. The discussion that 2/4 CpG sites were previously identified is not evidence backing this up, as this result was obtained in a previous analysis of the same dataset. It would be unusual that two different analyses of the same dataset failed to find similar results (even when the analyses use different methods). A false positive CpG site in one analysis is likely to show up as a false positive in a different analysis on the same dataset. R4. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. The discussion regarding the selected sites in the original study was not intended to justify the predictive model. However, the discussion of the two sites from the study by Roubroeks and colleagues is relevant to the current study, as it seemed unethical to omit these details and claim the sites as novel findings, particularly given the current study uses publicly available data linked to the Roubroeks et al. study. C5. The secondary dataset is not suitable to be used as an independent validation set, the study design is too different. R5. Although the particular aspects of the secondary data raising a concern were not noted by Reviewer #2, this appears to be similar to the second set of comments from Reviewer #1. With the secondary dataset not used to identify replication of score trends observed in the longitudinal primary data, clarifying text was added in the fifth paragraph of the Results to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary data with the cross-sectional secondary data. C6. Additionally, I raise concerns about the description in the methods of "any CpG site with a detection p-value > 0 for any subject was excluded", this would surely exclude all detected CpGs, as a p-value of 0 for detection, surely indicates an undetected CpG site in that sample, and p-values can not go negative. R6. The reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. As outlined in my response to Reviewer 1 (response #1), a significant percentage of the overall p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. Competing Interests: No competing interests were disclosed. Close Report a concern Respond or Comment COMMENTS ON THIS REPORT Author Response 04 Apr 2024 Jarrett Morrow , Channing Division of Network Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, 02115, USA 04 Apr 2024 Author Response Reviewer 2: Updates to the manuscript prompted by the comments and suggestions from Reviewer #2 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript, through both a revised approach and more ... Continue reading Reviewer 2: Updates to the manuscript prompted by the comments and suggestions from Reviewer #2 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript, through both a revised approach and more clarification regarding the limitations of the study. I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. C1. Figure 1 shows the box-plot of the methylation risk scores (MRS) for the different groups of subjects. If this score was a real predictor of cognitive impairment and its development into alzheimers disease (AD), the a priori hypothesis would be that the subjects with AD would have more extreme scores than the mild-converters, this is not shown to be the case, with the AD group having intermediate scores between the mild-converters and the controls. R1. These comments by the Reviewer regarding an a priori hypothesis are much appreciated. However, with the elastic-net model trained using longitudinal outcomes of decline instead of cross-sectional disease severity, the specific hypothesis proposed by the reviewer was not supported by the findings of the study. However, in the fourth paragraph of Results, a nominal increase in MRS values with increased severity at baseline was noted. While the observations suggest specificity of the risk score for susceptibility to conversion, a nominally higher score in AD provides evidence to support the spirit of the reviewer comment regarding AD and MCI scores. C2. The MRS score is based off just 4 methylation sites. The initial full dataset contained >250,000 sites and therefore it would be very easy to find a small subset which is predictive by chance. R2. This comment from the Reviewer is appreciated. An elastic-net model was the focus of the study, as this method seeks a model with fewer features to help avoid overfitting. In addition, to emphasize biological significance in the model, the variance of DNA methylation was considered. That is, the full set of methylation sites was filtered to approximately 63,000 sites based on variance, as low-variance sites may be less useful in practical applications. A predictive model leveraging a small number of features is not typically considered of lesser value. For example, a recent Nature Communications (2022) paper, van Breugel and colleagues (PMCID: PMC9715628) created a three CpG site predictor of allergic disease in a cohort of 348 subjects. This is one example of predictive models based on a limited set of features that have been developed in various tissues and complex diseases. C3. The cross validation AUC is significantly lower (0.635) than the training AUC (0.877), which is a sign of over-fitting the training set, given that the methods describe optimising the cross validation mis-classification error, it seems likely that the cross validation AUC is also over-fitted and an independent test set would display an even lower AUC. R3. I completely agree with this comment by the Reviewer and thank the Reviewer for the insight. The last sentence in the first paragraph of the Discussion states: "The limited set of selected features, an AUC in the training data of 0.877, and a maximum AUC during cross-validation of 0.635 suggests both higher variance and bias. An MRS may find better utility as a component in a comprehensive conversion susceptibility prediction strategy." However, while revisiting the model development and results, prompted by the reviewer comments, the approach was modified to include mean squared error as the measure instead of misclassification error. With this change, an alpha of 1 now produced the lower error. In addition, lambda was chosen to reduce overfitting, leading to a three-site model. As a result, the AUC for the training data was 0.843, the average AUC across the ten folds was 0.752 and the out-of-fold AUC was 0.653. Revisions were made to the manuscript to reflect these methods changes. I found the updated results demonstrating improved performance encouraging and I hope the Reviewer also views these revised findings favorably. C4. The discussion that 2/4 CpG sites were previously identified is not evidence backing this up, as this result was obtained in a previous analysis of the same dataset. It would be unusual that two different analyses of the same dataset failed to find similar results (even when the analyses use different methods). A false positive CpG site in one analysis is likely to show up as a false positive in a different analysis on the same dataset. R4. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. The discussion regarding the selected sites in the original study was not intended to justify the predictive model. However, the discussion of the two sites from the study by Roubroeks and colleagues is relevant to the current study, as it seemed unethical to omit these details and claim the sites as novel findings, particularly given the current study uses publicly available data linked to the Roubroeks et al. study. C5. The secondary dataset is not suitable to be used as an independent validation set, the study design is too different. R5. Although the particular aspects of the secondary data raising a concern were not noted by Reviewer #2, this appears to be similar to the second set of comments from Reviewer #1. With the secondary dataset not used to identify replication of score trends observed in the longitudinal primary data, clarifying text was added in the fifth paragraph of the Results to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary data with the cross-sectional secondary data. C6. Additionally, I raise concerns about the description in the methods of "any CpG site with a detection p-value > 0 for any subject was excluded", this would surely exclude all detected CpGs, as a p-value of 0 for detection, surely indicates an undetected CpG site in that sample, and p-values can not go negative. R6. The reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. As outlined in my response to Reviewer 1 (response #1), a significant percentage of the overall p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. Reviewer 2: Updates to the manuscript prompted by the comments and suggestions from Reviewer #2 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript, through both a revised approach and more clarification regarding the limitations of the study. I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. C1. Figure 1 shows the box-plot of the methylation risk scores (MRS) for the different groups of subjects. If this score was a real predictor of cognitive impairment and its development into alzheimers disease (AD), the a priori hypothesis would be that the subjects with AD would have more extreme scores than the mild-converters, this is not shown to be the case, with the AD group having intermediate scores between the mild-converters and the controls. R1. These comments by the Reviewer regarding an a priori hypothesis are much appreciated. However, with the elastic-net model trained using longitudinal outcomes of decline instead of cross-sectional disease severity, the specific hypothesis proposed by the reviewer was not supported by the findings of the study. However, in the fourth paragraph of Results, a nominal increase in MRS values with increased severity at baseline was noted. While the observations suggest specificity of the risk score for susceptibility to conversion, a nominally higher score in AD provides evidence to support the spirit of the reviewer comment regarding AD and MCI scores. C2. The MRS score is based off just 4 methylation sites. The initial full dataset contained >250,000 sites and therefore it would be very easy to find a small subset which is predictive by chance. R2. This comment from the Reviewer is appreciated. An elastic-net model was the focus of the study, as this method seeks a model with fewer features to help avoid overfitting. In addition, to emphasize biological significance in the model, the variance of DNA methylation was considered. That is, the full set of methylation sites was filtered to approximately 63,000 sites based on variance, as low-variance sites may be less useful in practical applications. A predictive model leveraging a small number of features is not typically considered of lesser value. For example, a recent Nature Communications (2022) paper, van Breugel and colleagues (PMCID: PMC9715628) created a three CpG site predictor of allergic disease in a cohort of 348 subjects. This is one example of predictive models based on a limited set of features that have been developed in various tissues and complex diseases. C3. The cross validation AUC is significantly lower (0.635) than the training AUC (0.877), which is a sign of over-fitting the training set, given that the methods describe optimising the cross validation mis-classification error, it seems likely that the cross validation AUC is also over-fitted and an independent test set would display an even lower AUC. R3. I completely agree with this comment by the Reviewer and thank the Reviewer for the insight. The last sentence in the first paragraph of the Discussion states: "The limited set of selected features, an AUC in the training data of 0.877, and a maximum AUC during cross-validation of 0.635 suggests both higher variance and bias. An MRS may find better utility as a component in a comprehensive conversion susceptibility prediction strategy." However, while revisiting the model development and results, prompted by the reviewer comments, the approach was modified to include mean squared error as the measure instead of misclassification error. With this change, an alpha of 1 now produced the lower error. In addition, lambda was chosen to reduce overfitting, leading to a three-site model. As a result, the AUC for the training data was 0.843, the average AUC across the ten folds was 0.752 and the out-of-fold AUC was 0.653. Revisions were made to the manuscript to reflect these methods changes. I found the updated results demonstrating improved performance encouraging and I hope the Reviewer also views these revised findings favorably. C4. The discussion that 2/4 CpG sites were previously identified is not evidence backing this up, as this result was obtained in a previous analysis of the same dataset. It would be unusual that two different analyses of the same dataset failed to find similar results (even when the analyses use different methods). A false positive CpG site in one analysis is likely to show up as a false positive in a different analysis on the same dataset. R4. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. The discussion regarding the selected sites in the original study was not intended to justify the predictive model. However, the discussion of the two sites from the study by Roubroeks and colleagues is relevant to the current study, as it seemed unethical to omit these details and claim the sites as novel findings, particularly given the current study uses publicly available data linked to the Roubroeks et al. study. C5. The secondary dataset is not suitable to be used as an independent validation set, the study design is too different. R5. Although the particular aspects of the secondary data raising a concern were not noted by Reviewer #2, this appears to be similar to the second set of comments from Reviewer #1. With the secondary dataset not used to identify replication of score trends observed in the longitudinal primary data, clarifying text was added in the fifth paragraph of the Results to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary data with the cross-sectional secondary data. C6. Additionally, I raise concerns about the description in the methods of "any CpG site with a detection p-value > 0 for any subject was excluded", this would surely exclude all detected CpGs, as a p-value of 0 for detection, surely indicates an undetected CpG site in that sample, and p-values can not go negative. R6. The reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. As outlined in my response to Reviewer 1 (response #1), a significant percentage of the overall p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. Competing Interests: No competing interests were disclosed. Close Report a concern COMMENT ON THIS REPORT Views 0 Cite How to cite this report: Smith A. Reviewer Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/ ) The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v1#referee-response-226564 NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in this citation. Close Copy Citation Details Reviewer Report 19 Dec 2023 Adam Smith , University of Exeter Medical School, Exeter, England, UK Approved with Reservations VIEWS 0 https://doi.org/ Morrow develops a methylation risk score (MRS), based on publicly available blood DNA methylation data, with the aim to predict progression from mild cognitive impairment (MCI) to Alzheimer’s disease (AD). The author uses machine learning methodology and identifies methylation levels ... Continue reading READ ALL Morrow develops a methylation risk score (MRS), based on publicly available blood DNA methylation data, with the aim to predict progression from mild cognitive impairment (MCI) to Alzheimer’s disease (AD). The author uses machine learning methodology and identifies methylation levels at four genomic loci that, in combination with age and sex, form the final MRS for conversion to AD. This study is novel and has the potential to elucidate a useful conversion susceptibility prediction method, either alone or in conjunction with other measures. However, at this stage there are considerable limitations and improvements that need to be addressed before I can recommend publication. Given the limitations including cohort size and lack of validation, the conclusions drawn are overstated. Major Revisions: Detection p value >0 led to exclusion of that probe. I would suggest that this is a typo or rounding error as a threshold of p>0 would yield 0 probes for downstream processing. Secondary dataset does not have suitable data to replicate model derived from primary data. The application of MRS onto this cohort gives little to no validation of the model. Further work is needed using an alternative dataset or splitting the initial cohort into a design vs. test approach to better validate the score. Para 13 – last line, “The MRS model leverages DNAm differences in the TSS of PNCK that are concordant across females and males.” This is incorrect looking at the beta vales presented in Figure S8, this site shows a beta difference of 0.05 (5%) in controls between males and females with a similar difference seen across disease states. This difference is considerably larger than the differences seen between disease states and is a strong argument for the removal of sex chromosomes from the analysis. Comment on the absence of age information in secondary cohort, was this information not needed for the final MRS calculation in this cohort? Minor Revisions: Para 1 – line 5, “stage of AD progression and the…” add "progression" to improve readability of this sentence . Para 2 – line 1, “on the development” add "the" to improve readability of this sentence. Para 7 – line 3, “seeking an epigenetic…” Suggest “To enable an epigenetic prediction model that is accurate despite shifts in cell abundance, blood cell distribution values were not included in the model.” Para 13 – line 2, “These two sites were their top two findings in the EWAS of MCI conversion, though neither site was statistically significant.” Sites were significant but did not reach multiple testing correction threshold. S6 ROC curve to be moved to main paper and legend expanded. Table 1 moved to supplementary. Table 2, “#genes with nearby TSS” – define nearby. Figure 1, a suitable legend is needed, with statistical significance quoted for all analyses. Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature? Yes Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound? Partly Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others? Partly If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate? I cannot comment. A qualified statistician is required. Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility? Yes Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results? Partly Competing Interests: No competing interests were disclosed. Reviewer Expertise: Epigenetics, differential methylation. I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however I have significant reservations, as outlined above. Close READ LESS CITE CITE HOW TO CITE THIS REPORT Smith A. Reviewer Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/ ) The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v1#referee-response-226564 NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in all citations of this article. COPY CITATION DETAILS Report a concern Author Response 04 Apr 2024 Jarrett Morrow , Channing Division of Network Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, 02115, USA 04 Apr 2024 Author Response Reviewer 1: The comments and suggestions from Reviewer #1 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript and I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. ... Continue reading Reviewer 1: The comments and suggestions from Reviewer #1 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript and I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. Major Revisions: C1. Detection p value >0 led to exclusion of that probe. I would suggest that this is a typo or rounding error as a threshold of p>0 would yield 0 probes for downstream processing. R1. The Reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. A significant percentage of the p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. C2. Secondary dataset does not have suitable data to replicate model derived from primary data. The application of MRS onto this cohort gives little to no validation of the model. Further work is needed using an alternative dataset or splitting the initial cohort into a design vs. test approach to better validate the score. R2. The Reviewer is correct. The secondary dataset was not used to identify replication of the trends observed in the longitudinal primary data. This was mentioned in the limitations “The secondary population for MRS evaluation lacked longitudinal outcome data.”. However, to clarify this further, the fifth paragraph of Results was edited to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary with the cross-sectional secondary data. Given the smaller dataset, a cross-validation approach was used to create within-cohort validation. In future studies within larger cohorts, an 80/20 split would be feasible as outlined in the discussion. With the predictive ability of the score limited, multi-omic scores in larger populations may be a better approach as mentioned in the conclusions. Please also note the updates to the methods and revised model described in the response to Reviewer #2. C3. Para 13 – last line, “The MRS model leverages DNAm differences in the TSS of PNCK that are concordant across females and males.” This is incorrect looking at the beta vales presented in Figure S8, this site shows a beta difference of 0.05 (5%) in controls between males and females with a similar difference seen across disease states. This difference is considerably larger than the differences seen between disease states and is a strong argument for the removal of sex chromosomes from the analysis. R3. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. Based on reviewer comments, the model was revised and the model now includes three of the same CpG sites. However, the PNCK site is no longer included. Please see the response to Reviewer #2 for additional details. Constructing sex-stratified MRS models could be an effective approach to address similar issues in future studies. C4. Comment on the absence of age information in secondary cohort, was this information not needed for the final MRS calculation in this cohort? R4. The request for the clarification is appreciated. Subject age was not retained in the elastic-net model for the primary/discovery dataset, as mentioned in the third paragraph of the Results. Only the three CpG sites in Table 1 were included in the final MRS model. Minor Revisions: C1. Para 1 – line 5, “stage of AD progression and the…” add "progression" to improve readability of this sentence. R1. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C2. Para 2 – line 1, “on the development” add "the" to improve readability of this sentence. R2. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C3. Para 7 – line 3, “seeking an epigenetic…” Suggest “To enable an epigenetic prediction model that is accurate despite shifts in cell abundance, blood cell distribution values were not included in the model.” R3. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C4. Para 13 – line 2, “These two sites were their top two findings in the EWAS of MCI conversion, though neither site was statistically significant.” Sites were significant but did not reach multiple testing correction threshold. R4. The revised manuscript includes a mention of multiple testing correction. C5. S6 ROC curve to be moved to main paper and legend expanded. R5. The revised Supplemental Figure S6 is now Figure 1 in the main document with additional information in the caption. C6. Table 1 moved to supplementary. R6. Table 1 is now Supplemental Table S2. C7. Table 2, “#genes with nearby TSS” – define nearby. R7. This information has been added to Table 1 (formerly Table 2). C8. Figure 1, a suitable legend is needed, with statistical significance quoted for all analyses. R8. A more detailed caption for Figure 2 (formerly Figure 1 – now updated using revised model) has been included in the revised manuscript. Reviewer 1: The comments and suggestions from Reviewer #1 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript and I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. Major Revisions: C1. Detection p value >0 led to exclusion of that probe. I would suggest that this is a typo or rounding error as a threshold of p>0 would yield 0 probes for downstream processing. R1. The Reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. A significant percentage of the p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. C2. Secondary dataset does not have suitable data to replicate model derived from primary data. The application of MRS onto this cohort gives little to no validation of the model. Further work is needed using an alternative dataset or splitting the initial cohort into a design vs. test approach to better validate the score. R2. The Reviewer is correct. The secondary dataset was not used to identify replication of the trends observed in the longitudinal primary data. This was mentioned in the limitations “The secondary population for MRS evaluation lacked longitudinal outcome data.”. However, to clarify this further, the fifth paragraph of Results was edited to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary with the cross-sectional secondary data. Given the smaller dataset, a cross-validation approach was used to create within-cohort validation. In future studies within larger cohorts, an 80/20 split would be feasible as outlined in the discussion. With the predictive ability of the score limited, multi-omic scores in larger populations may be a better approach as mentioned in the conclusions. Please also note the updates to the methods and revised model described in the response to Reviewer #2. C3. Para 13 – last line, “The MRS model leverages DNAm differences in the TSS of PNCK that are concordant across females and males.” This is incorrect looking at the beta vales presented in Figure S8, this site shows a beta difference of 0.05 (5%) in controls between males and females with a similar difference seen across disease states. This difference is considerably larger than the differences seen between disease states and is a strong argument for the removal of sex chromosomes from the analysis. R3. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. Based on reviewer comments, the model was revised and the model now includes three of the same CpG sites. However, the PNCK site is no longer included. Please see the response to Reviewer #2 for additional details. Constructing sex-stratified MRS models could be an effective approach to address similar issues in future studies. C4. Comment on the absence of age information in secondary cohort, was this information not needed for the final MRS calculation in this cohort? R4. The request for the clarification is appreciated. Subject age was not retained in the elastic-net model for the primary/discovery dataset, as mentioned in the third paragraph of the Results. Only the three CpG sites in Table 1 were included in the final MRS model. Minor Revisions: C1. Para 1 – line 5, “stage of AD progression and the…” add "progression" to improve readability of this sentence. R1. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C2. Para 2 – line 1, “on the development” add "the" to improve readability of this sentence. R2. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C3. Para 7 – line 3, “seeking an epigenetic…” Suggest “To enable an epigenetic prediction model that is accurate despite shifts in cell abundance, blood cell distribution values were not included in the model.” R3. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C4. Para 13 – line 2, “These two sites were their top two findings in the EWAS of MCI conversion, though neither site was statistically significant.” Sites were significant but did not reach multiple testing correction threshold. R4. The revised manuscript includes a mention of multiple testing correction. C5. S6 ROC curve to be moved to main paper and legend expanded. R5. The revised Supplemental Figure S6 is now Figure 1 in the main document with additional information in the caption. C6. Table 1 moved to supplementary. R6. Table 1 is now Supplemental Table S2. C7. Table 2, “#genes with nearby TSS” – define nearby. R7. This information has been added to Table 1 (formerly Table 2). C8. Figure 1, a suitable legend is needed, with statistical significance quoted for all analyses. R8. A more detailed caption for Figure 2 (formerly Figure 1 – now updated using revised model) has been included in the revised manuscript. Competing Interests: No competing interests were disclosed. Close Report a concern Respond or Comment COMMENTS ON THIS REPORT Author Response 04 Apr 2024 Jarrett Morrow , Channing Division of Network Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, 02115, USA 04 Apr 2024 Author Response Reviewer 1: The comments and suggestions from Reviewer #1 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript and I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. ... Continue reading Reviewer 1: The comments and suggestions from Reviewer #1 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript and I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. Major Revisions: C1. Detection p value >0 led to exclusion of that probe. I would suggest that this is a typo or rounding error as a threshold of p>0 would yield 0 probes for downstream processing. R1. The Reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. A significant percentage of the p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. C2. Secondary dataset does not have suitable data to replicate model derived from primary data. The application of MRS onto this cohort gives little to no validation of the model. Further work is needed using an alternative dataset or splitting the initial cohort into a design vs. test approach to better validate the score. R2. The Reviewer is correct. The secondary dataset was not used to identify replication of the trends observed in the longitudinal primary data. This was mentioned in the limitations “The secondary population for MRS evaluation lacked longitudinal outcome data.”. However, to clarify this further, the fifth paragraph of Results was edited to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary with the cross-sectional secondary data. Given the smaller dataset, a cross-validation approach was used to create within-cohort validation. In future studies within larger cohorts, an 80/20 split would be feasible as outlined in the discussion. With the predictive ability of the score limited, multi-omic scores in larger populations may be a better approach as mentioned in the conclusions. Please also note the updates to the methods and revised model described in the response to Reviewer #2. C3. Para 13 – last line, “The MRS model leverages DNAm differences in the TSS of PNCK that are concordant across females and males.” This is incorrect looking at the beta vales presented in Figure S8, this site shows a beta difference of 0.05 (5%) in controls between males and females with a similar difference seen across disease states. This difference is considerably larger than the differences seen between disease states and is a strong argument for the removal of sex chromosomes from the analysis. R3. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. Based on reviewer comments, the model was revised and the model now includes three of the same CpG sites. However, the PNCK site is no longer included. Please see the response to Reviewer #2 for additional details. Constructing sex-stratified MRS models could be an effective approach to address similar issues in future studies. C4. Comment on the absence of age information in secondary cohort, was this information not needed for the final MRS calculation in this cohort? R4. The request for the clarification is appreciated. Subject age was not retained in the elastic-net model for the primary/discovery dataset, as mentioned in the third paragraph of the Results. Only the three CpG sites in Table 1 were included in the final MRS model. Minor Revisions: C1. Para 1 – line 5, “stage of AD progression and the…” add "progression" to improve readability of this sentence. R1. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C2. Para 2 – line 1, “on the development” add "the" to improve readability of this sentence. R2. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C3. Para 7 – line 3, “seeking an epigenetic…” Suggest “To enable an epigenetic prediction model that is accurate despite shifts in cell abundance, blood cell distribution values were not included in the model.” R3. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C4. Para 13 – line 2, “These two sites were their top two findings in the EWAS of MCI conversion, though neither site was statistically significant.” Sites were significant but did not reach multiple testing correction threshold. R4. The revised manuscript includes a mention of multiple testing correction. C5. S6 ROC curve to be moved to main paper and legend expanded. R5. The revised Supplemental Figure S6 is now Figure 1 in the main document with additional information in the caption. C6. Table 1 moved to supplementary. R6. Table 1 is now Supplemental Table S2. C7. Table 2, “#genes with nearby TSS” – define nearby. R7. This information has been added to Table 1 (formerly Table 2). C8. Figure 1, a suitable legend is needed, with statistical significance quoted for all analyses. R8. A more detailed caption for Figure 2 (formerly Figure 1 – now updated using revised model) has been included in the revised manuscript. Reviewer 1: The comments and suggestions from Reviewer #1 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript and I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. Major Revisions: C1. Detection p value >0 led to exclusion of that probe. I would suggest that this is a typo or rounding error as a threshold of p>0 would yield 0 probes for downstream processing. R1. The Reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. A significant percentage of the p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. C2. Secondary dataset does not have suitable data to replicate model derived from primary data. The application of MRS onto this cohort gives little to no validation of the model. Further work is needed using an alternative dataset or splitting the initial cohort into a design vs. test approach to better validate the score. R2. The Reviewer is correct. The secondary dataset was not used to identify replication of the trends observed in the longitudinal primary data. This was mentioned in the limitations “The secondary population for MRS evaluation lacked longitudinal outcome data.”. However, to clarify this further, the fifth paragraph of Results was edited to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary with the cross-sectional secondary data. Given the smaller dataset, a cross-validation approach was used to create within-cohort validation. In future studies within larger cohorts, an 80/20 split would be feasible as outlined in the discussion. With the predictive ability of the score limited, multi-omic scores in larger populations may be a better approach as mentioned in the conclusions. Please also note the updates to the methods and revised model described in the response to Reviewer #2. C3. Para 13 – last line, “The MRS model leverages DNAm differences in the TSS of PNCK that are concordant across females and males.” This is incorrect looking at the beta vales presented in Figure S8, this site shows a beta difference of 0.05 (5%) in controls between males and females with a similar difference seen across disease states. This difference is considerably larger than the differences seen between disease states and is a strong argument for the removal of sex chromosomes from the analysis. R3. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. Based on reviewer comments, the model was revised and the model now includes three of the same CpG sites. However, the PNCK site is no longer included. Please see the response to Reviewer #2 for additional details. Constructing sex-stratified MRS models could be an effective approach to address similar issues in future studies. C4. Comment on the absence of age information in secondary cohort, was this information not needed for the final MRS calculation in this cohort? R4. The request for the clarification is appreciated. Subject age was not retained in the elastic-net model for the primary/discovery dataset, as mentioned in the third paragraph of the Results. Only the three CpG sites in Table 1 were included in the final MRS model. Minor Revisions: C1. Para 1 – line 5, “stage of AD progression and the…” add "progression" to improve readability of this sentence. R1. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C2. Para 2 – line 1, “on the development” add "the" to improve readability of this sentence. R2. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C3. Para 7 – line 3, “seeking an epigenetic…” Suggest “To enable an epigenetic prediction model that is accurate despite shifts in cell abundance, blood cell distribution values were not included in the model.” R3. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C4. Para 13 – line 2, “These two sites were their top two findings in the EWAS of MCI conversion, though neither site was statistically significant.” Sites were significant but did not reach multiple testing correction threshold. R4. The revised manuscript includes a mention of multiple testing correction. C5. S6 ROC curve to be moved to main paper and legend expanded. R5. The revised Supplemental Figure S6 is now Figure 1 in the main document with additional information in the caption. C6. Table 1 moved to supplementary. R6. Table 1 is now Supplemental Table S2. C7. Table 2, “#genes with nearby TSS” – define nearby. R7. This information has been added to Table 1 (formerly Table 2). C8. Figure 1, a suitable legend is needed, with statistical significance quoted for all analyses. R8. A more detailed caption for Figure 2 (formerly Figure 1 – now updated using revised model) has been included in the revised manuscript. Competing Interests: No competing interests were disclosed. 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Not approved Fundamental flaws in the paper seriously undermine the findings and conclusions Reviewer Reports Invited Reviewers 1 2 3 Version 2 (revision) 15 Mar 24 read read Version 1 01 Sep 23 read read Adam Smith , University of Exeter Medical School, Exeter, UK Rachel Cavill , Maastricht University, Maastricht, The Netherlands Lily Wang , University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, Miami, USA Wei Zhang , University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, Miami, USA Comments on this article All Comments (0) Add a comment Sign up for content alerts Sign Up You are now signed up to receive this alert Browse by related subjects keyboard_arrow_left Back to all reports Reviewer Report 0 Views copyright © 2024 Wang L et al. This is an open access peer review report distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. 01 Aug 2024 | for Version 2 Lily Wang , University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, Miami, FL, USA Wei Zhang , University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, Miami, FL, USA 0 Views copyright © 2024 Wang L et al. This is an open access peer review report distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. format_quote Cite this report speaker_notes Responses (0) Approved With Reservations info_outline Alongside their report, reviewers assign a status to the article: Approved The paper is scientifically sound in its current form and only minor, if any, improvements are suggested Approved with reservations A number of small changes, sometimes more significant revisions are required to address specific details and improve the papers academic merit. Not approved Fundamental flaws in the paper seriously undermine the findings and conclusions Summary Morrow et al. (2024) developed a methylation risk score to predict the conversion from Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) to Alzheimer's Disease (AD). While the study addresses a significant topic, several methodological issues should be addressed to support the validity and reproducibility of the findings. Major Points Normalization of DNA Methylation Data : It is crucial to exclude sex chromosomes during normalization because females are expected to have significantly higher methylation levels on the X chromosome due to X-chromosome inactivation. Stringency in Filtering CpGs : The decision to remove CpGs with detection P > 0 seems overly stringent. A more reasonable threshold should be considered to ensure that potentially informative CpGs are not excluded unnecessarily. Reproducibility and Code Availability : To promote transparency and reproducibility, the analysis code used in this study should be deposited in a public repository such as GitHub or Zenodo. Appropriateness of the Testing Dataset : The testing dataset used in this study is cross-sectional, which limits its utility for predicting disease progression. A longitudinal dataset, such as the ADNI dataset, would be more suitable. The ADNI dataset, as described in Vasanthakumar et al. (2020)(refer 1), is accessible at https://adni.loni.usc.edu/ (subject to data use approval). CpGs with mQTL Associations : Among the three CpGs listed in Table 1, two CpGs appear to have methylation Quantitative Trait Loci (mQTL) associated with them, according to Min et al. (2021) (PMID: 34493871)(refer 2). The relevant associations can be explored at http://mqtldb.godmc.org.uk/search.php?query=cg25342005 and http://mqtldb.godmc.org.uk/search.php?query=cg0989212 Overfitting Concerns : There is a concern about the potential overfitting of the prediction model. As a comparison, the author could randomly sample a set of three CpGs and build a prediction model using the AddNeuroMed dataset. By comparing the reported model with these randomly selected 3-CpG models, it would be possible to determine how many of these models exhibit a larger Area Under the Curve (AUC) than the one reported in the manuscript. Replication of CpGs in Independent Studies : In the Introduction, the authors cite several references (ref 12-16). It would be valuable to know if any of the CpGs identified in this study replicate findings from these independent studies. Minor Points Workflow Figure : A workflow figure that outlines the various steps used in the analysis, both for training and testing samples, would greatly assist readers in understanding the methodology described in this manuscript. Figure Legends : The legends for the figures in both the main manuscript and the Supplementary File should be comprehensive. They need to be understandable as standalone descriptions, please include details on the dataset used and the model applied, at a minimum. Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature? Yes Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound? Partly Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others? Partly If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate? Partly Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility? Yes Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results? Partly References 1. Vasanthakumar A, Davis JW, Idler K, Waring JF, et al.: Harnessing peripheral DNA methylation differences in the Alzheimer's Disease Neuroimaging Initiative (ADNI) to reveal novel biomarkers of disease. Clin Epigenetics . 2020; 12 (1): 84 PubMed Abstract | Publisher Full Text 2. Min JL, Hemani G, Hannon E, Dekkers KF, et al.: Genomic and phenotypic insights from an atlas of genetic effects on DNA methylation. Nat Genet . 2021; 53 (9): 1311-1321 PubMed Abstract | Publisher Full Text Competing Interests No competing interests were disclosed. Reviewer Expertise statistical modeling, epigenomics analysis We confirm that we have read this submission and believe that we have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however we have significant reservations, as outlined above. reply Respond to this report Responses (0) Wang L and Zhang W. Peer Review Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.163624.r295468) NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in this citation. The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v2#referee-response-295468 keyboard_arrow_left Back to all reports Reviewer Report 0 Views copyright © 2024 Smith A. This is an open access peer review report distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. 02 May 2024 | for Version 2 Adam Smith , University of Exeter Medical School, Exeter, England, UK 0 Views copyright © 2024 Smith A. This is an open access peer review report distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. format_quote Cite this report speaker_notes Responses (0) Approved With Reservations info_outline Alongside their report, reviewers assign a status to the article: Approved The paper is scientifically sound in its current form and only minor, if any, improvements are suggested Approved with reservations A number of small changes, sometimes more significant revisions are required to address specific details and improve the papers academic merit. Not approved Fundamental flaws in the paper seriously undermine the findings and conclusions Morrow has addressed some of the concerns raised by myself and other reviewers, however I still find the study needs some revisions. Further work is needed to address the point that detection P value for methylation assays such as this cannot go below 0, therefore the statement “Prior to the analyses in this study, any CpG site with a detection p-value > 0 for any subject was removed” is fundamentally incorrect as it would result in 0 datapoints for downstream analysis. I imagine this is a rounding error taken from the GEO website as the detection P values are usually very close to 0. I would recommend using the same detection P value cutoff used by Roubroeks et al. Secondary dataset does not have suitable data to replicate model derived from primary data. The application of MRS onto this cohort gives little to no validation of the model. I can accept the author's comment that the primary dataset is not of sufficient size to csplit and perform a design vs. test approach to better validate the score. However, given the current data the statement “This score was evaluated in cross sectional data in AD subjects and controls in both the primary and a secondary datasets to help understand the relationship of the conversion risk score to overall disease severity.” is inaccurate. Author's response that the values at baseline show concordance gives little to no justification given the differences in the cohorts. Given the absence of MCI-AD progression information in the secondary cohort, Figure S8 reveals no extra information and I recommend that this is removed. It would be beneficial to see the effect of adding Age and Sex information to the predictive ability of the MRS for the initial cohort, including the effect on ROC. Competing Interests No competing interests were disclosed. Reviewer Expertise Epigenetics, differential methylation I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however I have significant reservations, as outlined above. reply Respond to this report Responses (0) Smith A. Peer Review Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.163624.r256442) NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in this citation. The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v2#referee-response-256442 keyboard_arrow_left Back to all reports Reviewer Report 0 Views copyright © 2024 Cavill R. This is an open access peer review report distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. 06 Feb 2024 | for Version 1 Rachel Cavill , Department of Advanced Computing Sciences, Maastricht University, Maastricht, Limburg, The Netherlands 0 Views copyright © 2024 Cavill R. This is an open access peer review report distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. format_quote Cite this report speaker_notes Responses (1) Not Approved info_outline Alongside their report, reviewers assign a status to the article: Approved The paper is scientifically sound in its current form and only minor, if any, improvements are suggested Approved with reservations A number of small changes, sometimes more significant revisions are required to address specific details and improve the papers academic merit. Not approved Fundamental flaws in the paper seriously undermine the findings and conclusions This paper presents an interesting analysis of using methylation data to predict cognitive decline in alzheimers. However, I have serious concerns about the results, in particular with regard to over-fitting of the model. Potential indications of over-fitting: * Figure 1 shows the box-plot of the methylation risk scores (MRS) for the different groups of subjects. If this score was a real predictor of cognitive impairment and its development into alzheimers disease (AD), the a priori hypothesis would be that the subjects with AD would have more extreme scores than the mild-converters, this is not shown to be the case, with the AD group having intermediate scores between the mild-converters and the controls. * The MRS score is based off just 4 methylation sites. The initial full dataset contained >250,000 sites and therefore it would be very easy to find a small subset which is predictive by chance. * The cross validation AUC is significantly lower (0.635) than the training AUC (0.877), which is a sign of over-fitting the training set, given that the methods describe optimising the cross validation mis-classification error, it seems likely that the cross validation AUC is also over-fitted and an independent test set would display an even lower AUC. * The discussion that 2/4 CpG sites were previously identified is not evidence backing this up, as this result was obtained in a previous analysis of the same dataset. It would be unusual that two different analyses of the same dataset failed to find similar results (even when the analyses use different methods). A false positive CpG site in one analysis is likely to show up as a false positive in a different analysis on the same dataset. Individually each of these indications is not conclusive, but put together they indicate a very strong likelihood of overfitting occuring. * The secondary dataset is not suitable to be used as an independent validation set, the study design is too different. Additionally, I raise concerns about the description in the methods of "any CpG site with a detection p-value > 0 for any subject was excluded", this would surely exclude all detected CpGs, as a p-value of 0 for detection, surely indicates an undetected CpG site in that sample, and p-values can not go negative. Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature? Yes Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound? No Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others? No If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate? No Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility? Yes Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results? No Competing Interests No competing interests were disclosed. Reviewer Expertise Data science applied to biological data, in particular, omics data. I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to state that I do not consider it to be of an acceptable scientific standard, for reasons outlined above. reply Respond to this report Responses (1) Author Response 04 Apr 2024 Jarrett Morrow, Channing Division of Network Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, 02115, USA Reviewer 2: Updates to the manuscript prompted by the comments and suggestions from Reviewer #2 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript, through both a revised approach and more clarification regarding the limitations of the study. I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. C1. Figure 1 shows the box-plot of the methylation risk scores (MRS) for the different groups of subjects. If this score was a real predictor of cognitive impairment and its development into alzheimers disease (AD), the a priori hypothesis would be that the subjects with AD would have more extreme scores than the mild-converters, this is not shown to be the case, with the AD group having intermediate scores between the mild-converters and the controls. R1. These comments by the Reviewer regarding an a priori hypothesis are much appreciated. However, with the elastic-net model trained using longitudinal outcomes of decline instead of cross-sectional disease severity, the specific hypothesis proposed by the reviewer was not supported by the findings of the study. However, in the fourth paragraph of Results, a nominal increase in MRS values with increased severity at baseline was noted. While the observations suggest specificity of the risk score for susceptibility to conversion, a nominally higher score in AD provides evidence to support the spirit of the reviewer comment regarding AD and MCI scores. C2. The MRS score is based off just 4 methylation sites. The initial full dataset contained >250,000 sites and therefore it would be very easy to find a small subset which is predictive by chance. R2. This comment from the Reviewer is appreciated. An elastic-net model was the focus of the study, as this method seeks a model with fewer features to help avoid overfitting. In addition, to emphasize biological significance in the model, the variance of DNA methylation was considered. That is, the full set of methylation sites was filtered to approximately 63,000 sites based on variance, as low-variance sites may be less useful in practical applications. A predictive model leveraging a small number of features is not typically considered of lesser value. For example, a recent Nature Communications (2022) paper, van Breugel and colleagues (PMCID: PMC9715628) created a three CpG site predictor of allergic disease in a cohort of 348 subjects. This is one example of predictive models based on a limited set of features that have been developed in various tissues and complex diseases. C3. The cross validation AUC is significantly lower (0.635) than the training AUC (0.877), which is a sign of over-fitting the training set, given that the methods describe optimising the cross validation mis-classification error, it seems likely that the cross validation AUC is also over-fitted and an independent test set would display an even lower AUC. R3. I completely agree with this comment by the Reviewer and thank the Reviewer for the insight. The last sentence in the first paragraph of the Discussion states: "The limited set of selected features, an AUC in the training data of 0.877, and a maximum AUC during cross-validation of 0.635 suggests both higher variance and bias. An MRS may find better utility as a component in a comprehensive conversion susceptibility prediction strategy." However, while revisiting the model development and results, prompted by the reviewer comments, the approach was modified to include mean squared error as the measure instead of misclassification error. With this change, an alpha of 1 now produced the lower error. In addition, lambda was chosen to reduce overfitting, leading to a three-site model. As a result, the AUC for the training data was 0.843, the average AUC across the ten folds was 0.752 and the out-of-fold AUC was 0.653. Revisions were made to the manuscript to reflect these methods changes. I found the updated results demonstrating improved performance encouraging and I hope the Reviewer also views these revised findings favorably. C4. The discussion that 2/4 CpG sites were previously identified is not evidence backing this up, as this result was obtained in a previous analysis of the same dataset. It would be unusual that two different analyses of the same dataset failed to find similar results (even when the analyses use different methods). A false positive CpG site in one analysis is likely to show up as a false positive in a different analysis on the same dataset. R4. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. The discussion regarding the selected sites in the original study was not intended to justify the predictive model. However, the discussion of the two sites from the study by Roubroeks and colleagues is relevant to the current study, as it seemed unethical to omit these details and claim the sites as novel findings, particularly given the current study uses publicly available data linked to the Roubroeks et al. study. C5. The secondary dataset is not suitable to be used as an independent validation set, the study design is too different. R5. Although the particular aspects of the secondary data raising a concern were not noted by Reviewer #2, this appears to be similar to the second set of comments from Reviewer #1. With the secondary dataset not used to identify replication of score trends observed in the longitudinal primary data, clarifying text was added in the fifth paragraph of the Results to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary data with the cross-sectional secondary data. C6. Additionally, I raise concerns about the description in the methods of "any CpG site with a detection p-value > 0 for any subject was excluded", this would surely exclude all detected CpGs, as a p-value of 0 for detection, surely indicates an undetected CpG site in that sample, and p-values can not go negative. R6. The reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. As outlined in my response to Reviewer 1 (response #1), a significant percentage of the overall p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. View more View less Competing Interests No competing interests were disclosed. reply Respond Report a concern Cavill R. Peer Review Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . F1000Research 2024, 12 :1087 ( https://doi.org/10.5256/f1000research.153748.r235879) NOTE: it is important to ensure the information in square brackets after the title is included in this citation. The direct URL for this report is: https://f1000research.com/articles/12-1087/v1#referee-response-235879 keyboard_arrow_left Back to all reports Reviewer Report 0 Views copyright © 2023 Smith A. This is an open access peer review report distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. 19 Dec 2023 | for Version 1 Adam Smith , University of Exeter Medical School, Exeter, England, UK 0 Views copyright © 2023 Smith A. This is an open access peer review report distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. format_quote Cite this report speaker_notes Responses (1) Approved With Reservations info_outline Alongside their report, reviewers assign a status to the article: Approved The paper is scientifically sound in its current form and only minor, if any, improvements are suggested Approved with reservations A number of small changes, sometimes more significant revisions are required to address specific details and improve the papers academic merit. Not approved Fundamental flaws in the paper seriously undermine the findings and conclusions Morrow develops a methylation risk score (MRS), based on publicly available blood DNA methylation data, with the aim to predict progression from mild cognitive impairment (MCI) to Alzheimer’s disease (AD). The author uses machine learning methodology and identifies methylation levels at four genomic loci that, in combination with age and sex, form the final MRS for conversion to AD. This study is novel and has the potential to elucidate a useful conversion susceptibility prediction method, either alone or in conjunction with other measures. However, at this stage there are considerable limitations and improvements that need to be addressed before I can recommend publication. Given the limitations including cohort size and lack of validation, the conclusions drawn are overstated. Major Revisions: Detection p value >0 led to exclusion of that probe. I would suggest that this is a typo or rounding error as a threshold of p>0 would yield 0 probes for downstream processing. Secondary dataset does not have suitable data to replicate model derived from primary data. The application of MRS onto this cohort gives little to no validation of the model. Further work is needed using an alternative dataset or splitting the initial cohort into a design vs. test approach to better validate the score. Para 13 – last line, “The MRS model leverages DNAm differences in the TSS of PNCK that are concordant across females and males.” This is incorrect looking at the beta vales presented in Figure S8, this site shows a beta difference of 0.05 (5%) in controls between males and females with a similar difference seen across disease states. This difference is considerably larger than the differences seen between disease states and is a strong argument for the removal of sex chromosomes from the analysis. Comment on the absence of age information in secondary cohort, was this information not needed for the final MRS calculation in this cohort? Minor Revisions: Para 1 – line 5, “stage of AD progression and the…” add "progression" to improve readability of this sentence . Para 2 – line 1, “on the development” add "the" to improve readability of this sentence. Para 7 – line 3, “seeking an epigenetic…” Suggest “To enable an epigenetic prediction model that is accurate despite shifts in cell abundance, blood cell distribution values were not included in the model.” Para 13 – line 2, “These two sites were their top two findings in the EWAS of MCI conversion, though neither site was statistically significant.” Sites were significant but did not reach multiple testing correction threshold. S6 ROC curve to be moved to main paper and legend expanded. Table 1 moved to supplementary. Table 2, “#genes with nearby TSS” – define nearby. Figure 1, a suitable legend is needed, with statistical significance quoted for all analyses. Is the work clearly and accurately presented and does it cite the current literature? Yes Is the study design appropriate and is the work technically sound? Partly Are sufficient details of methods and analysis provided to allow replication by others? Partly If applicable, is the statistical analysis and its interpretation appropriate? I cannot comment. A qualified statistician is required. Are all the source data underlying the results available to ensure full reproducibility? Yes Are the conclusions drawn adequately supported by the results? Partly Competing Interests No competing interests were disclosed. Reviewer Expertise Epigenetics, differential methylation. I confirm that I have read this submission and believe that I have an appropriate level of expertise to confirm that it is of an acceptable scientific standard, however I have significant reservations, as outlined above. reply Respond to this report Responses (1) Author Response 04 Apr 2024 Jarrett Morrow, Channing Division of Network Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, 02115, USA Reviewer 1: The comments and suggestions from Reviewer #1 have greatly helped to improve the manuscript and I hope the Reviewer finds the revised manuscript suitable for approval. Major Revisions: C1. Detection p value >0 led to exclusion of that probe. I would suggest that this is a typo or rounding error as a threshold of p>0 would yield 0 probes for downstream processing. R1. The Reviewer noticing this in the manuscript is appreciated. A significant percentage of the p-values in the detection p-value matrix had a value of zero. Therefore, any site having a p-value > 0 for any subject was considered of lower quality. The exclusion of these 82,090 sites is mentioned in the supplemental table (Table S1) added to the revised extended data that outlines the quality control process for the primary data. C2. Secondary dataset does not have suitable data to replicate model derived from primary data. The application of MRS onto this cohort gives little to no validation of the model. Further work is needed using an alternative dataset or splitting the initial cohort into a design vs. test approach to better validate the score. R2. The Reviewer is correct. The secondary dataset was not used to identify replication of the trends observed in the longitudinal primary data. This was mentioned in the limitations “The secondary population for MRS evaluation lacked longitudinal outcome data.”. However, to clarify this further, the fifth paragraph of Results was edited to note concordance of the score at baseline in the primary with the cross-sectional secondary data. Given the smaller dataset, a cross-validation approach was used to create within-cohort validation. In future studies within larger cohorts, an 80/20 split would be feasible as outlined in the discussion. With the predictive ability of the score limited, multi-omic scores in larger populations may be a better approach as mentioned in the conclusions. Please also note the updates to the methods and revised model described in the response to Reviewer #2. C3. Para 13 – last line, “The MRS model leverages DNAm differences in the TSS of PNCK that are concordant across females and males.” This is incorrect looking at the beta vales presented in Figure S8, this site shows a beta difference of 0.05 (5%) in controls between males and females with a similar difference seen across disease states. This difference is considerably larger than the differences seen between disease states and is a strong argument for the removal of sex chromosomes from the analysis. R3. These insightful comments from the Reviewer are appreciated. Based on reviewer comments, the model was revised and the model now includes three of the same CpG sites. However, the PNCK site is no longer included. Please see the response to Reviewer #2 for additional details. Constructing sex-stratified MRS models could be an effective approach to address similar issues in future studies. C4. Comment on the absence of age information in secondary cohort, was this information not needed for the final MRS calculation in this cohort? R4. The request for the clarification is appreciated. Subject age was not retained in the elastic-net model for the primary/discovery dataset, as mentioned in the third paragraph of the Results. Only the three CpG sites in Table 1 were included in the final MRS model. Minor Revisions: C1. Para 1 – line 5, “stage of AD progression and the…” add "progression" to improve readability of this sentence. R1. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C2. Para 2 – line 1, “on the development” add "the" to improve readability of this sentence. R2. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C3. Para 7 – line 3, “seeking an epigenetic…” Suggest “To enable an epigenetic prediction model that is accurate despite shifts in cell abundance, blood cell distribution values were not included in the model.” R3. The sentence has been improved by this suggested revision. C4. Para 13 – line 2, “These two sites were their top two findings in the EWAS of MCI conversion, though neither site was statistically significant.” Sites were significant but did not reach multiple testing correction threshold. R4. The revised manuscript includes a mention of multiple testing correction. C5. S6 ROC curve to be moved to main paper and legend expanded. R5. The revised Supplemental Figure S6 is now Figure 1 in the main document with additional information in the caption. C6. Table 1 moved to supplementary. R6. Table 1 is now Supplemental Table S2. C7. Table 2, “#genes with nearby TSS” – define nearby. R7. This information has been added to Table 1 (formerly Table 2). C8. Figure 1, a suitable legend is needed, with statistical significance quoted for all analyses. R8. A more detailed caption for Figure 2 (formerly Figure 1 – now updated using revised model) has been included in the revised manuscript. View more View less Competing Interests No competing interests were disclosed. reply Respond Report a concern Smith A. Peer Review Report For: Methylation risk score in peripheral blood predictive of conversion from mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's Disease [version 2; peer review: 2 approved with reservations, 1 not approved] . 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